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#Post#: 99749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: roythebus
Date: November 25, 2025, 10:19 am
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I see no signs! Maybe the flagshaggers can take some of the
blame if their flags are covering road signs. I sometimes use
that road on my nightly rail replacement bus driving, in fact
I'm round that way tonight so will have a close look unless I'm
diverted by more road works.
The CPZ is presumably to prevent all-day parking for train
commuters and match days at Priestfield Stadium which is within
walking distance.
#Post#: 99758--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 25, 2025, 10:55 am
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OP, were you the registered keeper on the date of the
contravention and are your DVLA details the same and current?
As regards the contravention:
In any formal reps pl forget all about parking bays and timings,
not only aren't they relevant, they're confusing you and by the
looks of the authority's rejection them as well and IMO
undermining the credibility of your main argument which is that
you were not parked in the vicinity of an applicable sign
neither had you passed the alternative i.e. CPZ entry signs
which is what I gather is your argument and not that you had,
you'd noted the CPZ times but then were confused by parking
place signage because this isn't a statutory defence and only
goes to mitigation.
The issue is: were you parked on a waiting restriction whose
times had been conveyed to you clearly and which were adequate
in the circumstances?
Facts:
You were parked on a SYL which means a part-time waiting
restriction.
There weren't any stand-alone upright traffic signs of the form
prescribed in Schedule 4 to the Traffic Signs etc. Regs in the
vicinity.
The burden then falls to the council to prove that the
restriction fell within a Controlled Parking Zone whose timings
were adequately signed at your point of entry into the zone by
traffic signs of the form prescribed in Part 2 of Schedule 5 to
the Regs with a traffic order underpinning the restriction.
In short, as regards the contravention stick to the issues of
parked, there weren't any applicable traffic signs in the
vicinity and as you had not passed any CPZ entry signs the
restriction, whatever it was, had not been signed correctly or
adequately, was of no effect and therefore a contravention could
not be committed in the unique circumstances of your case.
As regards their response:
Errors/inconsistencies/incoherence/improprieties etc. don't
really count for much at this stage. Furthermore, I could not
see an adjudicator attaching much weight to their nonsense
regarding instant PCNs given that you've not claimed that any
possible exemption applies in your case e.g. loading, alighting
etc.
#Post#: 100487--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: December 1, 2025, 5:42 am
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Sorry for the delay replying. For some reason didn't get email
notification of the last couple of posts.
Yes I'm the registered keeper on day of contravention (owned car
for many years outright). Details are all correct.
[member=22]roythebus[/member] the signs have been rotated. I've
included what was my view (N. on canterbury) and a view from the
road on the left (stafford st). From the stafford st view you
can see a zone E entry sign and behind it across the road the
reverse side (zone end) of the other zone E entry sign.
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#Post#: 100513--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: roythebus
Date: December 1, 2025, 8:02 am
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Agreed, I did have a look when I was driving my bus round there
in the middle of the night and noted a number of signs that had
been rotated in various locations. I was there every night last
week! Sorry I can't be of more help.
#Post#: 104671--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: January 5, 2026, 1:37 pm
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Just an update. I now have the NTO from Medway.
I'll put in an appeal sticking to the main point as suggested by
HC Andersen, using the same photo as before.
draft for comment below.
I am appealing on the grounds that the contravention did not
occur. The single yellow line on which I was parked had no time
plate and in addition the signage at the entry to the CPZ is for
all practical purposes absent.
Specifically:
The CPZ sign on the left hand side of Canterbury street cannot
be seen at all driving into the zone – it has been rotated
completely through 90 degrees and only its pole is visible.
The sign on the right hand side is also severely rotated: it can
just be made out that there is a sign there, but is at such an
acute angle that it is impossible to read it or identify it as a
CPZ sign, if you see it at all, particularly when driving at
night as I was.
I have taken a picture to show this (enclosed).
As the council has failed to comply with its duty to maintain
signs that convey the restriction to the drivers, the PCN must
be cancelled and I look forward to early confirmation.
#Post#: 104747--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 6, 2026, 6:57 am
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Looks fine. The key is your pictures to show the adjudicator if
they don't cancel and you want to appeal.
If you can go back and take close ups of signage that would help
plus if they've fixed them it will confirm they were defective.
#Post#: 108706--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: February 4, 2026, 10:28 am
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Hi All,
They rejected the appeal. It would appear they believe drivers
never turn around with a cpz. Letter below
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#Post#: 108726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 4, 2026, 12:07 pm
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No discount so no brainer to register a tribunal appeal.
I guess we should have repeated the car was turned around but if
you ensure you have an online/telephone hearing you should see
this off as an honest account.
Note I think you used my initial challenge:
[i]I was puzzled to get the PCN and spent some time retracing my
route which was, north on Canterbury Street, before turning
around and parking outside Medway Medals.[/I]
And the rejection also has contradictory paragraphs on timed
restriction and at all times?
#Post#: 108818--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: February 5, 2026, 10:06 am
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Yes I'm sure I stated in the informal challenge that I turned
around. I've not yet looked at the further tribunal appeal
website. Do I get to add additional points if so what.
So far Medway have refused to be drawn into commenting on their
signage. Do I need more photos?
I actually turned around by going right down a side street
(green st) then left into theodore pl then right back into green
st, finally turning Left onto canterbury street at the same
place I turned off. None of this exits the zone or passes any
CPZ signs.
I should also say I had two passengers who can corroborate that
we entered the going N on canterbury street.
#Post#: 108827--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 5, 2026, 10:59 am
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You can just say you rely on your reps - you can't introduce new
points that you've not put top them unless they are in the
notice of rejection.
So you can add a note about them being mistaken that you hadn't
turned around in the zone having only passed the entry under
dispute.
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