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#Post#: 95908--------------------------------------------------
Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham cpz
signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: October 28, 2025, 8:39 am
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Hi,
I would like your opinions on the possibility of defending a
parking ticket issued by Medway council.
The situation is I was given a ticket parked on a SYL near the
north end of Canterbury st at around 9.30 pm. The section of SYL
had no time plate and so I assumed it was 6 or 6.30 pm like the
rest of medway. Street view link of location below along with
links to the PCN
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sF4jwF5UpCsfJotA7
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sF4jwF5UpCsfJotA7
The pcn is here
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/PzL2APv#jVCPtTl
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/PzL2APv#jVCPtTl
I think the issue is that I had unknowing entered a CPZ.
Looking at google maps turning right from Waterloo Road (or left
from Vicarage Rd) into Canterbury St there are two zone end
signs. I therefore have come to the conclusion that Canterbury
St. south of the Junction with Stafford St. is not in a
controlled zone.
After some close up interrogation of google maps for the
junction with Stafford Rd I think there may be rotated start of
cpz signs for Canterbury st (on right and left) but its pretty
much impossible to read either of them driving north on
Canterbury St as they are not facing the traffic. The one on the
LHS is completely impossible to see unless standing in Stafford
St. The one on the right is not quite fully rotated but still
impossible to read while driving, particularly as it was dark
and the sign unlit. From google maps it appears they have been
like this for five years.
I’ve been back and taken my own photographs, but the google maps
gives an accurate impression of how they currently are.
Junction waterloo road with Canterbury st
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/aNdtwMWeouax2oCX7
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/aNdtwMWeouax2oCX7
Signs at junction with Stafford St.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsiFx1vnMJf7q99J8
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsiFx1vnMJf7q99J8
My Photos here
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/VlmyDPw
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/VlmyDPw
Many thanks for your assistance.
Jim
#Post#: 95918--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 28, 2025, 10:09 am
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If the entry signage is defective on your route into the zone
you should win this.
How did you turn into Stafford Street?
I looked on Maps and some parking bays end much earlier which
could give a false sense if security but yellow lines are
controlled only by their own timeplates or CPZ entry signs.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/m5mB83xK/gill.jpg
#Post#: 95931--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: October 28, 2025, 11:03 am
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[quote author=stamfordman link=topic=8567.msg95918#msg95918
date=1761664180]
If the entry signage is defective on your route into the zone
you should win this.
How did you turn into Stafford Street?
I looked on Maps and some parking bays end much earlier which
could give a false sense if security but yellow lines are
controlled only by their own timeplates or CPZ entry signs.
Sorry didn't make myself clear. I was parked on canterbury st. I
didn't turn into stafford street I carried on past it. It's very
confusing as someone has turned the cpz signs for the north end
of canterbury street through 90 degrees, so you can't see them
as you drive past. I came down canterbury st, heading north, so
passing stafford st on my left, to park further up on the right
(I turned around and doubled back to park hence car is pointing
south rather than north).
If you look very closely and zoom in you can just about see one
entry sign at an angle on canterbury street opposite the
stafford st junction. You can't see the other unless stood
actually in stafford street.
Hope that makes sense now.
edit It not so clear on maps as my photos as the sign is even
further rotated, but looking at maps I believe the start sign on
the right is between the green house and blue garage - on maps
it looks like an end of zone sign, but it actually has a start
of cpz on it's reverse (it's more visible on my photos as not
quite as rotated round).
Thanks
Jim
#Post#: 95940--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 28, 2025, 11:45 am
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OK, so you were in zone E?
Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check
signs at the entry.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/C3hXD8pw/Screenshot-2025-10-28-at-16-43-21.png
#Post#: 95950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: October 28, 2025, 1:03 pm
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[quote author=stamfordman link=topic=8567.msg95940#msg95940
date=1761669924]
OK, so you were in zone E?
Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check
signs at the entry.
Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS
you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my
left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really
correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at
Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.
google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road on
left
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then
if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st
you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.
#Post#: 95954--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: October 28, 2025, 1:24 pm
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--- Quote from: jimzzr link ---
>
> [quote author=stamfordman link=topic=8567.msg95940#msg95940
date=1761669924]
> OK, so you were in zone E?
>
> Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check
signs at the entry.
>
> Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS
you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my
left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really
correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at
Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.
>
> google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road
on left
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
>
> I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then
if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st
you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.
>
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
I think this is the zone E entry sign as I said earlier,
opposite the stafford rd junction between green house and blue
garage
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Ly0bkG4
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Ly0bkG4
(For some reason it won't let me embed the imgpile links as
images)
#Post#: 95966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 28, 2025, 2:11 pm
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Please give us a GSV link to that sign.
#Post#: 95977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: October 28, 2025, 2:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Please give us a GSV link to that sign.
>
--- End Quote ---
I had given it earlier but as I said the sign is even more
rotated on GSV. Between green house and blue garage RHS
canterbury st. It looks like a zone end sign on GSV as you can't
see the back of it.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/B8AyWuMyxCR1nnao8
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/B8AyWuMyxCR1nnao8
The GSV image from May 23 is closest to how the sign is now
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fMKYFttfXMWBYaSi9
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fMKYFttfXMWBYaSi9
This is the other zone E sign but it is only visible exiting
stafford street - can't be seen driving north on canterbury st
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/hQamnwomwkBJf2DAA
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/hQamnwomwkBJf2DAA
#Post#: 96000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 28, 2025, 5:36 pm
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OK, so badly maintained signage.
The council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting
traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in
The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and
Wales) Regulations 1996
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
So in your case the contravention did not occur as the sign is
not properly visble to approaching motorists.
#Post#: 96004--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
cpz signage a shambles.
DIR By: jimzzr
Date: October 28, 2025, 6:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> OK, so badly maintained signage.
> The council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting
traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in
The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and
Wales) Regulations 1996
>
>
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
>
> So in your case the contravention did not occur as the sign is
not properly visible to approaching motorists.
>
--- End Quote ---
From my understanding the signage is defective so the cpz is
invalid.
How does this nullify the original SYL offence?
Does the traffic order that makes the cpz effectively also make
the SLY so in effect it's completely unenforceable.
Or is it defaulted back to no cpz and therefore should have a
yellow time plate. Does each SYL section need a yellow plate if
not in a cpz ? - I can see on GSV there is a SYL with a yellow
plate further north, could they argue I should have used the
times on that one.
Many Thanks for your help.
Jim
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