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       #Post#: 95908--------------------------------------------------
       Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham cpz
       signage a shambles.
   DIR By: jimzzr
       Date: October 28, 2025, 8:39 am
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       Hi,
       I would like your opinions on the possibility of defending a
       parking ticket issued by Medway council.
       The situation is I was given a ticket parked on a SYL near the
       north end of Canterbury st at around 9.30 pm. The section of SYL
       had no time plate and so I assumed it was 6 or 6.30 pm like the
       rest of medway. Street view link of location below along with
       links to the PCN
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sF4jwF5UpCsfJotA7
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sF4jwF5UpCsfJotA7
       The pcn is here
  HTML https://imgpile.com/p/PzL2APv#jVCPtTl
  HTML https://imgpile.com/p/PzL2APv#jVCPtTl
       I think the issue is that I had unknowing entered a CPZ.
       Looking at google maps turning right from Waterloo Road (or left
       from Vicarage Rd) into Canterbury St there are two zone end
       signs. I therefore have come to the conclusion that Canterbury
       St. south of the Junction with Stafford St. is not in a
       controlled zone.
       After some close up interrogation of google maps for the
       junction with Stafford Rd I think there may be rotated start of
       cpz signs for Canterbury st (on right and left) but its pretty
       much impossible to read either of them driving north on
       Canterbury St as they are not facing the traffic. The one on the
       LHS is completely impossible to see unless standing in Stafford
       St. The one on the right is not quite fully rotated but still
       impossible to read while driving, particularly as it was dark
       and the sign unlit. From google maps it appears they have been
       like this for five years.
       I’ve been back and taken my own photographs, but the google maps
       gives an accurate impression of how they currently are.
       Junction waterloo road with Canterbury st
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/aNdtwMWeouax2oCX7
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/aNdtwMWeouax2oCX7
       Signs at junction with Stafford St.
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsiFx1vnMJf7q99J8
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsiFx1vnMJf7q99J8
       My Photos here
  HTML https://imgpile.com/p/VlmyDPw
  HTML https://imgpile.com/p/VlmyDPw
       Many thanks for your assistance.
       Jim
       #Post#: 95918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 28, 2025, 10:09 am
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       If the entry signage is defective on your route into the zone
       you should win this.
       How did you turn into Stafford Street?
       I looked on Maps and some parking bays end much earlier which
       could give a false sense if security but yellow lines are
       controlled only by their own timeplates or CPZ entry signs.
  HTML https://i.ibb.co/m5mB83xK/gill.jpg
       #Post#: 95931--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: jimzzr
       Date: October 28, 2025, 11:03 am
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       [quote author=stamfordman link=topic=8567.msg95918#msg95918
       date=1761664180]
       If the entry signage is defective on your route into the zone
       you should win this.
       How did you turn into Stafford Street?
       I looked on Maps and some parking bays end much earlier which
       could give a false sense if security but yellow lines are
       controlled only by their own timeplates or CPZ entry signs.
       Sorry didn't make myself clear. I was parked on canterbury st. I
       didn't turn into stafford street I carried on past it. It's very
       confusing as someone has turned the cpz signs for the north end
       of canterbury street through 90 degrees, so you can't see them
       as you drive past. I came down canterbury st, heading north, so
       passing stafford st on my left, to park further up on the right
       (I turned around and doubled back to park hence car is pointing
       south rather than north).
       If you look very closely and zoom in you can just about see one
       entry sign at an angle on canterbury street opposite the
       stafford st junction. You can't see the other unless stood
       actually in stafford street.
       Hope that makes sense now.
       edit It not so clear on maps as my photos as the sign is even
       further rotated, but looking at maps I believe the start sign on
       the right is between the green house and blue garage - on maps
       it looks like an end of zone sign, but it actually has a start
       of cpz on it's reverse (it's more visible on my photos as not
       quite as rotated round).
       Thanks
       Jim
       #Post#: 95940--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 28, 2025, 11:45 am
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       OK, so you were in zone E?
       Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check
       signs at the entry.
  HTML https://i.ibb.co/C3hXD8pw/Screenshot-2025-10-28-at-16-43-21.png
       #Post#: 95950--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: jimzzr
       Date: October 28, 2025, 1:03 pm
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       [quote author=stamfordman link=topic=8567.msg95940#msg95940
       date=1761669924]
       OK, so you were in zone E?
       Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check
       signs at the entry.
       Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS
       you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my
       left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really
       correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at
       Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.
       google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road on
       left
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
       I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then
       if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st
       you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.
       #Post#: 95954--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: jimzzr
       Date: October 28, 2025, 1:24 pm
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       --- Quote from: jimzzr link ---
       >
       > [quote author=stamfordman link=topic=8567.msg95940#msg95940
       date=1761669924]
       > OK, so you were in zone E?
       >
       > Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check
       signs at the entry.
       >
       > Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS
       you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my
       left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really
       correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at
       Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.
       >
       > google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road
       on left
       >
       >
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A
       >
       > I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then
       if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st
       you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       [/quote]
       I think this is the zone E entry sign as I said earlier,
       opposite the stafford rd junction between green house and blue
       garage
  HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Ly0bkG4
  HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Ly0bkG4
       (For some reason it won't let me embed the imgpile links as
       images)
       #Post#: 95966--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: October 28, 2025, 2:11 pm
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       Please give us a GSV link to that sign.
       #Post#: 95977--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: jimzzr
       Date: October 28, 2025, 2:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
       >
       > Please give us a GSV link to that sign.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I had given it earlier but as I said the sign is even more
       rotated on GSV. Between green house and blue garage RHS
       canterbury st. It looks like a zone end sign on GSV as you can't
       see the back of it.
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/B8AyWuMyxCR1nnao8
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/B8AyWuMyxCR1nnao8
       The GSV image from May 23 is closest to how the sign is now
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fMKYFttfXMWBYaSi9
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fMKYFttfXMWBYaSi9
       This is the other zone E sign but it is only visible exiting
       stafford street - can't be seen driving north on canterbury st
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/hQamnwomwkBJf2DAA
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/hQamnwomwkBJf2DAA
       #Post#: 96000--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: October 28, 2025, 5:36 pm
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       OK, so badly maintained signage.
       The council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting
       traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in
       The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and
       Wales) Regulations 1996
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
       So in your case the contravention did not occur as the sign is
       not properly visble to approaching motorists.
       #Post#: 96004--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Medway Code 01 restricted street, canterbury st. Gillingham
       cpz signage a shambles.
   DIR By: jimzzr
       Date: October 28, 2025, 6:02 pm
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       --- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
       >
       > OK, so badly maintained signage.
       > The council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting
       traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in
       The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and
       Wales) Regulations 1996
       >
       >
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
       >
       > So in your case the contravention did not occur as the sign is
       not properly visible to approaching motorists.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       From my understanding the signage is defective so the cpz is
       invalid.
       How does this nullify the original SYL offence?
       Does the traffic order that makes the cpz effectively also make
       the SLY so in effect it's completely unenforceable.
       Or is it defaulted back to no cpz and therefore should have a
       yellow time plate. Does each SYL section need a yellow plate if
       not in a cpz ? - I can see on GSV there is a SYL with a yellow
       plate further north, could they argue I should have used the
       times on that one.
       Many Thanks for your help.
       Jim
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