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Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 26, 2025, 7:07 pm
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Hi I have recieved a PCN stating not complying with a no entry
restriction. I didnt see the No entry signs as i was following
my Sat Nav. Not sure if that can be used as a reason. Is there
any other technicality I can use to get out. This is my 3rd
ticket in a matter of days. Driving in london is more expensive
with tickets rather than hiring a taxi or uber.
Please please help, this seems unfair as they want 80 pounds
even if paid within 14 days. This is steep and is clearly
putting me off driving.
Also it says I am unable to make an informal representation,
even though I havent. I did use the AI chatbot it lead me to,
which may have done something as it was forcing me to answer
questions, which I really didnt want to answer. I retried to
challenge and pCN and it somehow lead me to allow a challenge
the PCN. Now I am having to make a formal
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 26, 2025, 8:11 pm
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> I didnt see the No Entry signs as i was following my Sat Nav.
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But you weren't driving with your eyes shut surely ? We seem to
be getting more and more of threads for "satnav -assisted" PCNs,
so join the club ! Using satnavs is fatal in London because
there are more and more traps like LTNs and School Streets off
the main roads and satnavs are always out-of-date. Three tickets
in a few days is getting to be something of a record. Are you
new to London and/or driving ?
Anyway, you've not given us enough info to give considered
advice, so please read this and update your thread accordingly :
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 27, 2025, 1:54 pm
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 27, 2025, 2:05 pm
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I agree, I could be a better driver. Just hoping someone could
help out.
PCN has now been posted. Let me know if you need any other
information.
Today is my last day to file within 14 days. I know i left it
late as well.
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 27, 2025, 3:52 pm
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You've redacted the car reg number and PCN Number.
Sorry, but we need to use these to view their evidence, which
will be a video, the sole evidence. GSV seems out-of-date, but
in 2024 this was the view down Temple Mills Lane from
Celebration Avenue. As you can see, there are no restriction
signs, but their CCTV evidence may show them.
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 27, 2025, 4:41 pm
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> You've redacted the car reg number and PCN Number.
>
> Sorry, but we need to use these to view their evidence, which
will be a video, the sole evidence. GSV seems out-of-date, but
in 2024 this was the view down Temple Mills Lane from
Celebration Avenue. As you can see, there are no restriction
signs, but their CCTV evidence may show them.
>
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 27, 2025, 5:25 pm
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Also I unable to make an informal representation. See image
attached. Is this a technicality I can use to get out of the PCN
?
Edit: Ignore this, as I realised that for camera based PCNs,
this serves as the NTO.
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 27, 2025, 5:39 pm
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> Also I unable to make an informal representation. See image
attached. Is this a technicality I can use to get out of the PCN
?
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No, not really, you would seem to have misunderstood the system.
With postal PCNs, which are sent to the owner, there is no
faciity to submit informal reps, only formal ones. This is
because a postal PCN is sent to the owner so acts as a Notice to
Owner. Informal challenges are made against paper PCNs served at
the roadside to car or driver. The council are wrong saying you
have been sent a Notice to Owner, though, but it's an easy
mistake to make, and a legacy of when, back in the day, all PCNs
were served at the roadside
As to the contravention, their video shows you merrily passing
two conspicuous No Entry signs, with a plate below stating that
buses and cycles are exempt. So you can see how your almost
blind faith in your satnav has got you into this mess. The
bottom line is that signs are very important and you ignore them
at your peril.
Frankly, with the video evidence being what it is, I can't think
of a robust appeal argument, sorry to have to say it.
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 28, 2025, 9:06 am
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Appreciate your time for looking into this. This clearly my
mistake in driving as there is evidence to that fact.
So i want to acknowledge that first and foremost.
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Re: Temple Mills Lane E20 51j
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: October 28, 2025, 9:11 am
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On another note, I did want to add how my friends and others in
london believe driving in London has become a nightmare. They
have taken the joy out of driving. So many cameras, so many no
entry zones. Even Google street views cant keep up with. Surely
looking at numerous signs while driving takes the joy out of
driving anywhere. Always wondering whats around the corner,
which rule am I breaking. What road is prohibited at what times.
I have one next to my street, which now needs me to drive 10
minutes around during peak hours to avoid that. This literally
starts from the end of my street I live in.
You may have a better view of how many tickets are issued in
London vs outside. I was recently in the country side, it was
much easier, barely any cameras and it was more fun to drive.
May be if you drive everyday in london as a taxi driver or for
delivery drivers. All others beware if you are the occassional
driver in London.
Thoughts ?
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