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#Post#: 95608--------------------------------------------------
Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: ukdriver1981 Date: October 26, 2025, 7:56 am
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Hello all,
Please can anyone help with suggestions for this as it is
extremely frustrating.
Basically we were on the M60 (a stretch of motorway and journey
we do a lot) and for a sunday evening had already passed what
was very unusually two incidents with speed changes on the
overhead gantries (smart motorway in operation).
We then proceeded on the motorway and ahead was another speed
limit which my partner (who was driving) and I observed to
clearly be 50mph in a red circle ahead in the distance. It
remained as this limit until we passed it. Prior to this due to
the previous incident we were only doing mid fifty so it was a
case of slowing a little.
Nevertheless after we passed we saw a flash much to our
astonishment. My immediate reaction was that it was the
motorway below (as this part after is a bridge). There were no
cars there and very few ahead or around us and so I realised we
must have been flashed and the limit must have changed to 40
while we passed underneath without any knowledge. I could not
accept this and immediately checked with partner and she said
she saw 50 all the way, and I even asked our child in the back
who also repeatedly said "it was 50!" My child looked behind
and saw another flash so another car must have also been
incorrectly flashed. I said I bet we receive a NIP saying it
was 40 when it clearly was not. Lo and behold we did. This
shows we were doing 51, which shows sticking to the 50 as
observed, which the NIP however says we did this through a 40
limit which was simply not the case.
This is simply not right and unfair. We complied with the limit
we saw (albeit 1mph above which within fair discretion does not
lead to a NIP) yet the NIP received says falsely we did this
through a 40 limit. Now if we were breaking the 40 limit it
would be more like 47-49, not 51, and even I would hold my hand
up and tell my partner it felt too fast. This was not the case.
If it helps after this gantry there was an incident ahead in the
distance, which was not observable before the gantry. In any
event at no point did the limit change down from 50 to 40. Even
if it did it we should have been given time beyond the gantry to
not be flashed as we had no knowledge of it changing. What can
we do about this? The photo sent to us of the gantry whilst
showing 40mph does not show us prior to it or after. I think we
were flashed around 10 seconds after passing it.
Please can someone advise how I can upload a photo of their
evidence (redacted)?
Many thanks
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: NewJudge Date: October 26, 2025, 8:23 am
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Did your NIP include any accompanying photographs or an
indication of where you might view them?
Regardless of any issues you may have with the speeding offence,
whoever the NIP is addressed to must respond to the accompanying
"Request for driver's details" within the 28 days allowed.
Failure to do so will see a separate offence committed which
attracts six points.
#Post#: 95611--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: ukdriver1981 Date: October 26, 2025, 8:26 am
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Yes I have the photos. Saved as a photo on my computer and
phone. I cannot post it on here it seems.
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: ukdriver1981 Date: October 26, 2025, 8:30 am
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Sorry yes and to your further point of course no issue with
identifying and responding to the NIP- we intend to do so, it
was just that I wrote to the ticket office first to try and have
it cancelled and see what evidence they had. They sent the
photos and what seems a generic response to everyone who
contests anything.
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: FuzzyDuck Date: October 26, 2025, 8:59 am
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[quote author=ukdriver1981 link=topic=8538.msg95611#msg95611
date=1761485212]
Yes I have the photos. Saved as a photo on my computer and
phone. I cannot post it on here it seems.
[/quote]
Post them on a hosting site and provide the links. The photos
should have one showing the actual gantry, does this say 50 or
40?
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: ukdriver1981 Date: October 26, 2025, 9:15 am
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The gantry shows 40. It's just not right. Our vehicle is not in
the image. There were hardly any cars around - no distractions
no noise just us looking forward.
The only plausible explanation is that it has changed incredibly
quickly underneath us and reacted in split seconds instead of
allowing a grace period of 10 or more seconds to move away from
it. Another car was also flashed moments after - I kept saying
we need his details as he must have seen the same thing!
Incredibly frustrating.
I will try to post the photo.
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: ukdriver1981 Date: October 26, 2025, 9:18 am
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[img width=127
height=180]
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/QHtyVs5G/temp-Imagee-L2hm-Q.avif[/img]
HTML https://postimg.cc/QHtyVs5G
I hope this works!
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: 666 Date: October 26, 2025, 9:41 am
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[quote author=ukdriver1981 link=topic=8538.msg95616#msg95616
date=1761488119]
The only plausible explanation is that it has changed incredibly
quickly underneath us and reacted in split seconds instead of
allowing a grace period of 10 or more seconds to move away from
it.
[/quote]
The photo details show that the limit changed over an hour
before the (alleged) offence.
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: FuzzyDuck Date: October 26, 2025, 10:11 am
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The picture of the gantry is taken from a distance back, at the
same time your vehicle was detected speeding by the gantry in
question. So recollection of the speed limit being 50 would seem
to be incorrect. Taking this to court wouldn’t be a sensible
thing to do.
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Re: Please help with unfair speeding ticket
By: NewJudge Date: October 26, 2025, 10:13 am
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Is that not your vehicle in the top 2 photos?
To explain, the top 2 are taken beyond the gantry (where your
speed is measured) and the bottom one is taken at the same time
by another camera sited prior to the gantry to show the speed
limit displayed. All these photographs were taken at just before
7:55pm.
If that is your vehicle the chances of your wife successfully
defending a charge in court is virtually nil. The police have a
photo of the car, they have measured the speed by means of an
approved device (which you don’t seem to dispute anyway) and
they have a photograph taken at the same time of the gantry
displaying “40”. The system’s records indicate that the reduced
limit had been displayed for 1h40m.
She would have to convince the court that her recollection of
the event is more reliable than that photograph of the gantry
and the system's record of how long the lower limit had been
displayed.
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