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       #Post#: 95369--------------------------------------------------
       Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered an
       incomplete registration   
   DIR By: sooty12113
       Date: October 24, 2025, 12:55 am
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       Hi all
       Back in August I entered a pub car park in Wigan, according to
       photographs from ECP on the PCN I entered at 08:47 and left at
       09:48. Europarks issued a PCN with the contravention "no valid
       pay and display/permit was purchased"
       I responded by proving the £1 payment for a 1 hours parking by
       sending a copy of my credit card bill, this also confirmed the
       payment was made at 08:50. I assumed the charge began from then
       as I needed time to find a parking space.
       Europarks responded by stating "your appeal states you purchased
       a pay and display ticket however after checking the providers
       audit reports there are no transactions for the vehicle
       registration mark that would indicate a major keying error when
       purchasing a pay and display ticket"
       They provided an extract from the machine report showing my
       payment at 08:50, but which only cited the first four digits of
       my registration number and therefore claimed payment, stating if
       I still wished to challenge go to POPLA.
       I did this and ECP have responded via POPLA still seeking
       payment but in support have provided a full list of vehicles
       (first 4 digits of registration number) matching payments that
       didn't match the duration of the parking. Providing a photograph
       of a parking sign stating "please ensure you enter your full and
       correct vehicle registration mark" You can see from the
       screenshot that 12 other drivers only provided the first four
       digits of their registration mark.
       I can't believe so many people would make the same apparent
       mistake as me (I can't remember) of only entering the first four
       digits of the registration number and there must have been a
       fault with the machine or misleading information on the machine
       (no photograph of that is provided) so I intend to respond to
       POPLA along those lines.
       Before I do does anyone have any advice or suggestions.
       Thanks
       Sooty
       #Post#: 95374--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: RichardW
       Date: October 24, 2025, 2:57 am
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       Please post up the PCN, your appeal, and the rejection.
       #Post#: 95382--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: sooty12113
       Date: October 24, 2025, 4:14 am
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       Click on the link for the requested details
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       #Post#: 95450--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: b789
       Date: October 24, 2025, 12:37 pm
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       Besides the fact that you SNAFU'd this by admitting being the
       driver, you have almost zero chance of being successful at
       POPLA. You should still rebut their evidence but don't hold your
       breath.
       If/when POPLA reject your appeal... so what? Their decision is
       not binding on you and you do not pay. If you follow the advice
       you now receive, you will not be paying a penny to ECP.
       This will be won after they issue a county court claim through
       DCB Legal (not DCBL) and eventually they discontinue. Have a
       read of any of the countless other ECP threads on this forum to
       see how they are dealt with.
       #Post#: 95453--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: October 24, 2025, 12:52 pm
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       Gosh that's a blast from the past, I worked at the Brocket Arms
       when I was 16.
       #Post#: 95649--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: sooty12113
       Date: October 26, 2025, 1:01 pm
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       Yes I suppose I may have messed up by admitting I was the driver
       but this was because I knew I had proof of payment with my
       credit card bill, thinking that would be the end of it
       #Post#: 95650--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: sooty12113
       Date: October 26, 2025, 1:04 pm
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       Thanks btw, I'll follow the advice on here going to forward
       #Post#: 95661--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: October 26, 2025, 2:04 pm
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       It’s often the case that the car park operator does it “for
       free” and does not get a penny of the money people pay for
       parking, in return for which they get to trouser all the money
       people pay in parking charges for breaking their rules.
       Therefore they couldn’t care less whether or not you paid £1,
       but they care that you broke their rules and they can pursue you
       for money.
       #Post#: 95662--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: sooty12113
       Date: October 26, 2025, 2:08 pm
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       Yes I expect so, there must be something amiss for 12 drivers in
       one morning not inputting their full registration number though
       #Post#: 100093--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Euro Car Parks - Wigan - I paid but now claiming I entered
       an incomplete registration   
   DIR By: sooty12113
       Date: November 27, 2025, 11:17 am
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       I've now received the POPLA adjudication as advised they have
       rejected my appeal even though they acknowledge I paid for the
       parking, this is the response, advice on next steps appreciated
       Decision
       Unsuccessful
       Assessor Name
       Assessor summary of operator case
       The parking operator says the appellant parked without buying a
       valid ticket or permit.
       Assessor summary of your case
       The appellant appeals on the following grounds: • Their credit
       card statement shows they paid for an hour’s parking. • The
       parking operator claimed there was no payment against their
       registration whilst also quoting the time of their transaction
       and the first part of their registration. • There’s no evidence
       they didn’t display their ticket. The appellant has provided the
       following evidence: • A copy of a credit card statement showing
       their payment. Having seen the parking operator’s response to
       their appeal, the appellant expands on their original appeal
       grounds.
       Assessor supporting rational for decision
       The parking operator has provided photos of signs on the car
       park which make clear users must pay for parking against their
       full registrations. Signs also make clear £75 charges will be
       issued for breaking the parking terms. The parking operator has
       also provided photos showing the appellant’s vehicle was on the
       car park for just over an hour on the date in question. The
       payment list from the relevant period has also been provided,
       and there’s no payment logged against the appellant’s vehicle’s
       full registration, XXXXXXX. A payment does appear against part
       of the vehicle’s registration, “XXXX”, so the operator’s case is
       that the appellant broke the terms by parking without valid
       payment.
       The appellant appeals on the basis their credit card statement
       shows they paid for an hour’s parking. They’ve provided a copy
       of the statement. They say the parking operator claimed there
       was no payment against their registration whilst also quoting
       the time of their transaction and the first part of their
       registration. I accept the appellant made a payment, but it’s
       clear from the evidence referenced above that the payment was
       invalid because it wasn’t made against the appellant’s vehicle’s
       full registration. I accept the appellant didn’t deliberately
       make invalid payment, but the payment list shows that almost all
       payments made during the relevant period were made against full
       registrations, with the appellant’s payment seemingly one of
       only a few exceptions, so I’m satisfied the machine was working
       correctly.
       The parking operator is a member of the British Parking
       Association’s (BPA) Approved Operator Scheme (AOS) and must
       follow the associated Code of Practice. Annex F of the Code says
       that when users break parking terms in specific mitigating
       circumstances then parking operators should offer at the first
       appeal stage to reduce charges to no more than £20 for 14 days.
       One of the circumstances warranting reductions is when users pay
       for parking against incorrect registrations, like in this case,
       and I can see the operator offered to reduce this charge. The
       appellant advises there’s no evidence they didn’t display their
       ticket. It’s clear the charge was issued because the appellant
       made invalid payment against an incomplete registration rather
       than because they failed to display a ticket. The evidence shows
       that the car park’s terms were made clear, and that the
       appellant broke them by parking without valid payment. I’m
       satisfied the charge was issued correctly and I’m refusing this
       appeal.
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