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MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: zexx
Date: October 22, 2025, 3:11 pm
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The driver recently received a PCN in the post for leaving the
premises while parked in a McDonald’s car park. They had
initially planned to go inside and make a purchase but changed
their mind and crossed the road to a nearby coffee shop instead.
They’re sharing this here to find out if anyone else has
experienced something similar or knows how best to deal with
this kind of parking notice. It seems quite harsh given the
circumstances and the short duration of the stay.
Any advice or insights would be greatly appreciated.
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#Post#: 95234--------------------------------------------------
Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: b789
Date: October 22, 2025, 4:09 pm
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The driver entered private land that was signposted as being so
and that there are terms and conditions if they want to park
there. If the driver chose not to read the signs, that is not an
excuse. They are there to be read.
The signs form a contract with the driver. One of the terms are
that the car park is ONLY for the use of McDonalds customers. If
the driver was not a customer, they breached that term and
therefore contractually agreed to pay the £100 charge.
What is there to dispute? I don't normally stick up for these
leech companies, but you have clearly admitted that the driver
breached the terms and conditions, so why do you think they
should not have to pay the consequences?
As for the legal points, what you have shown us is a Parking
Charge Notice (PCN) issued as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK).
It appears to be addressed to a company, not an individual. Is
the vehicle leased or hired from a lease/hire firm or is it
addressed to a company that is the registered keeper?
What evidence is there that the driver left the premises. The
only evidence on that NtK is a photo of a vehicle parked. I see
no evidence of anyone "leaving the premises". Whilst the signs
may state that the car park is only of the use of customers, the
only person with any liability is the driver. What any other
passengers do is of no relevance.
How are the boundaries of the "premises" defined? How would a
driver know that they are leaving the boundary of the premises?
These "leaving premises" PCNs are almost impossible for them to
prove and if it ever went as far as a court hearing, they would
stand almost zero chance of proving their case. That does not
mean that they will not try and take it all the way in the hope
that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and can be
intimidated into paying up out of ignorance and fear.
There are other similar cases for this location already on the
forum and you should search for them and follow the advice given
in those.
Here are just a few:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/genuine-mcdonalds-customer-fined-for-leaving-the-site-seeking-advice
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-met-parking-occupants-left-premises-mcdonald-s
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/met-parking-services-occupants-left-premises-mc-donalds-leytonstone
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/met-parking-charge-at-mcdonalds
#Post#: 95237--------------------------------------------------
Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: zexx
Date: October 22, 2025, 4:38 pm
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Yes, the vehicle is leased. The driver is not a company. I will
research the links you provided. Thank you very much b789.
#Post#: 95238--------------------------------------------------
Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 22, 2025, 4:49 pm
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--- Quote from: zexx link ---
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> The driver is not a company.
>
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Companies cannot drive cars. Is the notice addressed to your
lease company?
#Post#: 95241--------------------------------------------------
Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: b789
Date: October 22, 2025, 5:24 pm
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If the NtK is a copy of the one received by the lease company,
then you (or the 'company') cannot respond to it. You will need
to wait until the lease company has transferred liability to the
Hirer and they issue a Notice to Hirer (NtH) in your or the
'company' name.
#Post#: 95247--------------------------------------------------
Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: zexx
Date: October 22, 2025, 5:54 pm
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Addressed to "The Company Secretary" but there is no company in
existence.
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: b789
Date: October 22, 2025, 5:59 pm
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Really silly move identifying that the named person on the NtK
is the driver!
Is that 'company' the one you are a company secretary or
director of? We are trying to clarify whether the vehicle is
owned or leased by the 'company'.
It does not matter whether the 'company' can drive or not, if
the NtK is PoFA compliant, the 'company' can be held liable.
You never, ever, EVER, EVER identify the driver! The Keeper only
has to refer to the driver in the third person. I advise you to
immediately edit your post!
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: zexx
Date: October 22, 2025, 7:15 pm
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There is no company that the driver knows of.
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: zexx
Date: October 22, 2025, 7:17 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
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> [quote author=zexx link=topic=8495.msg95237#msg95237
date=1761169100]
> The driver is not a company.
>
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Companies cannot drive cars. Is the notice addressed to your
lease company?
[/quote]
No
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Re: MacDonald's Leytonstone PCN for leaving premises
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 23, 2025, 2:34 am
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--- Quote from: zexx link ---
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> There is no company that the driver knows of.
>
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Then who is the car leased from?
Are you saying that in the bits you have redacted, the parking
company have named a person (and that person is the one leasing
the vehicle?) but wrongly referred to them as if they are a
company.
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