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PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council - over 18
months ago
DIR By: wrongberg
Date: October 22, 2025, 7:36 am
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Hi All,
I posted this on Reddit and was recommended I also post here.
Advice needed as I've recently received a PCN from Hounslow
Council (England) for an alleged contravention 52JM: Failing to
comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles.
The date of the contravention is over 18 months ago in April 24.
I'm bewildered on this one as I can't even remember being in
Houslow 18 months ago.
Is there a specific time frame councils have to give notice for
PCNs?
If it's worth appealing, I would appreciate some guidance on
what to put for reasons for appeal.
Thanks in advance for any help!
ps/. edited in line with comment, additional links below.
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - over 18 months ago
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 22, 2025, 7:43 am
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Sorry, no good without some hard facts like the actual document.
Please read this and update your thread
accordingly: -
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: wrongberg
Date: October 22, 2025, 9:18 am
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Thank you for signposting for me Incandescent, I have now edited
the post to match the guidance for new posts.
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 22, 2025, 9:44 am
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Is the car leased.
Did you move.
But no matter it is surely out of time.
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 22, 2025, 12:32 pm
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I can't see any way this could be considered "in time", but
strange things can happen and the regulations do have a getout
clause for the 28 days, see here Regulation 10, (7) & (8)
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/regulation/10/made
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: wrongberg
Date: October 23, 2025, 3:54 am
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HI [member=2249]stamfordman[/member], good point I didn't share.
The car is leased so it is likely the PCN went to the lease
company first who then gave my companies details.
Anyhow, would the recommended course of action be to appeal the
PCN stating that this happened such a long time ago, it is
deemed 'out of time'?
Is there anything else I should say or reference in the appeal
to help the chances of this being upheld first time around?
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 23, 2025, 4:24 am
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OK, it's leased, so they had 28 days to send the first PCN to
the lease company, who then had 28 days to reply. Then on the
assumption they submitted reps that were accepted, another 28
days to send out a second PCN to you. Assuming about 10 days for
council admin, that doesn't add up to 18 months. So where would
the delay be ? The council has to first get the name and address
of the V5C holder from the DVLA using a messaging system. So
maybe this is it. Certainly when they get your name and address
from the lease company, they can act straightaway.
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: October 23, 2025, 4:36 am
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Just make a representation that the alleged representation is so
old you can't remember the events of the day and it would
therefore be unfair to pursue the PCN and in addition the PCN
apepars to be unlawfully out of time.
I'm happy to handle this for the OP.
Email: mrmustard@zoho.com
I would probably also do a Subject Access Request to find out
what has happened.
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 23, 2025, 5:04 am
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'as I've recently received a PCN'
'likely the PCN went to the lease company first who then gave my
companies details.'
OP, are you the addressee on the PCN? 'I have received..' on
this forum often means my company/manager or whatever has just
handed this to me and told me to deal with it.
You cannot make representations unless you are the addressee on
the PCN.
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Re: PCN Received for Contravention 52JM - Hounslow Council -
over 18 months ago
DIR By: wrongberg
Date: October 23, 2025, 8:17 am
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H C Andersen, good point. It is addressed to the Company
Secretary at the Limited Company.
I can't see anywhere on the forms to specify who was the driver
at the time. I guess I just make a representation stating that
the PCN needs to be addressed to me personally? Or should the
company secretary (I can arrange for this) to say that as it was
so long ago we can't see who the driver was?
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