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#Post#: 96141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 30, 2025, 5:26 am
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Hold fire. I will be back later with a technical argument re the
PCN. Plus advice from [member=7]mrmustard[/member]. Give me a
chance to look at the video.
1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign.
2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.
3.
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In light of the above, please cancel.
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Screenshot all pages as they usually limit to one ground of
representation. You have 28 days from the date of service to do
this.
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 30, 2025, 2:36 pm
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Awesome! Holding fire… think we have just around 4 hours left
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 30, 2025, 3:27 pm
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> Awesome! Holding fire… think we have just around 4 hours left
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No no no. More. Don't get spaced out by the 14 day thingy.
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 30, 2025, 5:20 pm
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> [quote author=LondonTraveller84
link=topic=8473.msg96233#msg96233 date=1761853009]
> Awesome! Holding fire… think we have just around 4 hours left
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No no no. More. Don't get spaced out by the 14 day thingy.
[/quote]
Got it - Physiological to respond within 14 day discount so the
discount is held. But I guess doesn’t matter if we’re going the
full hog to win!
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 30, 2025, 5:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> Hold fire. I will be back later with a technical argument re
the PCN. Plus advice from [member=7]mrmustard[/member]. Give me
a chance to look at the video.
>
> 1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign.
>
> 2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.
>
> 3.
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>
> In light of the above, please cancel.
>
> ****************
>
> Screenshot all pages as they usually limit to one ground of
representation. You have 28 days from the date of service to do
this.
>
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So I’ll send a appeal now stating contravention didn’t occur
with the following 2 reason
1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign
(and at a location difficult to see when turning as one would be
looking for pedestrians and potential oncoming danger?)
2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.
Is point 3 more for information only as an example of another
case won? Or is it referring to also mentioning ‘missing
mandatory information as provided at
Para. 4 (8 ) (v)’ as an other reason? Or -‘ I to specially
reference the ftla post in my appeal?
P.s all pages where copied above or are you referring to
screenshotting the reasons shown at the appeal page?
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: IHateUnfairPCNs
Date: November 5, 2025, 2:35 pm
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Hello people. Just received this same PCN in the post, same
location same alleged contravention: 50u - u-turn. Will make my
own thread in the coming days but just raising a few points as
I'm fairly local to the area.
- As seen on the GSV when comparing dates, this no U-turn
signage is fairly new. Never was there for many years whilst the
no-left-turn has always been there. I always did this specific
manoeuvre as there was, up until now, nothing prohibiting it.
Clearly this is a response to those doing what we do however,
surely there has to be clear and adequate signage for THOSE
coming from York Road. This is because, well people live off
York Road, AND there exists Mill Road which is a common rat
route into the North West Ilford/Cranbook area (IG1 3XX) The
start of the No-U-Turn zone is indicated with a sign adjacent to
Paddypower (before York Rd when travelling northbound on A123 -
Cranbook Road). There is no indication that we are in this
no-u-turn zone if we have not driven through Cranbook Road
before/in the journey. This leads into my next point
- You are unable to see the sign and be aware of the U-turn
prohibition due to almost every car's A-pillar blocking view of
that sign when driving right underneath it letalone turning
right. It is also placed on the off-side rather than the near
side. There are also no advance warning signs like there are
with school streets and no left/right turns (precisely what the
junction with York Road and Cranbook Road is). Surely, it should
be mandatory to have a bigger 'white' square sign like we see in
many other high-revenue junctions detailing the specific
prohibitions entailing to this junction.
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: November 23, 2025, 2:37 pm
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Hi [member=24]Hippocrates[/member],
I've received the response to the initial appeal although only
saw the letter now 10 days in :( leaving only 4 days for the
discount (if we think we can't win) and not looking good (does
it ever) but this time the councils response has specifically
mentioned the adjudicator and the fact that they cannot allow
appeals on mitgating circumstances, if anything that would be a
situation they would be able to allow appeals..
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Await your advice on if you think we still stand a chance on
winning this? or if I bite the bullet and pay £80 @ the
discounted rate.
[member=2401]IHateUnfairPCNs[/member] - The council state the
sign is there and in their eyes as you turn you should see it,
obviously we're disputing this as there are many factors (such
as viewing traffic from the right, then any pedestrians on the
left, that make it difficult to the sign instantly. As for any
pre signange that is mandatory for this to be enforce I am not
aware about.
#Post#: 99533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 24, 2025, 8:14 am
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What did you write?
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: November 24, 2025, 8:16 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> What did you write?
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Short and sweet as you always advice:
1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign.
2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.
In light of the above, please cancel.
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Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: IHateUnfairPCNs
Date: November 24, 2025, 9:42 am
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[member=1495]LondonTraveller84[/member] You're right and I'm
delaying my reps to mine as I'm sure that I want to be fighting
this at tribunal raising the points you mentioned as per forum
advice (delaying reps until around the 25th day where they
should be busy sending a charge certificate)
As for pre-signage, it makes sense for this junction. Where a
side road enters into a main road and the main road has some
sort of restriction on it for x amount of yards/miles/metres...
there must be a first sign indicating it. This is the case for
this No U-turn zone, with the first sign being at Paddypower and
for the opposite way being near Wellesley Road traffic lights.
Any repeater signs are to be taken as first-time signs if the
main sign was unable to be seen, as in this case. Our case is
that drivers are unable to clearly see those repeater signs on
both sides due to the angle, height and A-pillar's of cars
blocking view of it when turning left and the immediate
attention paid to traffic coming from the right as well as the
pedestrian crossing. Especially when you previously didn't know
about the restriction. To be honest, since this ticket, I have
been paying attention to the restriction and only not doing a
U-turn due to foreknowledge. Not due to the signs, and obviously
now, just by experience... it is easier to see because you've
been caught out once.
Near where I live, there is a road known as Browning Road, E12
and there is a bridge which is a no cars/bikes zone except for
buses, taxis and permit holders. There are 2 signs, one nearside
and offside AND there is a pre-sign warning of the bridge
restriction on Rectory Road. Despite that sign existing, a
tribunal was won because the tree slightly covered the sign and
it was unclear/slightly invisible for those coming from
Chesterford Road (Y-junction with Rectory Road). Surely the same
can apply here, especially when both roads are fairly busy and
high volume of pedestrians almost at any time of the day...
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