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#Post#: 94897--------------------------------------------------
Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 20, 2025, 4:31 pm
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Hi All,
I'm back! its like I'm just getting stung for silly mistakes or
Im enjoying fighting the council.
This time its for 50u Prohibited Turn, just off York Road onto
Cranbrook Road
HTML https://ibb.co/jPZwpgbT
HTML https://ibb.co/S4DKT02m
I got to the end of the road, it was left turn only, however I
wanted to turn right. So I took the left turn as the sign
stated, when on the main road I performed a u-turn. As far as I
know I did not take a right from the side road, which is what is
restricted unless I'm wrong?
*Update* - Having googled the contravention, it says there has
to be a no U sign, did a GSV and there is one as across the road
on the main road, which I deffintily did not see, Guess im
screwed now, unless there is a technicality that would work, I
guess I cannot say I had not seen it, as I would have been more
focussed on watching oncoming traffic from the right?
#Post#: 94901--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 20, 2025, 5:13 pm
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I'm having a problem finding this location on GSV, so can you
post a link to it, please.
The video shows you making your U-turn right by the No U-Turn
sign !
I have to say, sorry to say it, but it was a bit naive, knowing
you had to make a left turn and thinking the council would not
have thought about U-turns that obviously negate the purpose of
the sign.
#Post#: 94902--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 20, 2025, 5:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I'm having a problem finding this location on GSV, so can you
post a link to it, please.
>
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Yc5pCqy4XBmNr14i8
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The video shows you making your U-turn right by the No U-Turn
sign !
>
> I have to say, sorry to say it, but it was a bit naive,
knowing you had to make a left turn and thinking the council
would not have thought about U-turns that obviously negate the
purpose of the sign.
>
--- End Quote ---
Naive I was, not something I had thought about in that these two
signs are supposed to come hand in hand, until I saw the video
and GSV, then put 2 and 2 together! let's just say I learnt
something new today!
But that sign was not something one would be looking for, ie the
'no left turn' sign is obvious and directly infront of you as
you appraoch, so you'll be expected to see that. Then as you
turn left, you're focus wouldn't be on the lamp post across the
road looking for a sign surely? hence i genuinely missed it.
#Post#: 95593--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 26, 2025, 2:45 am
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Hi guys, would the ground mentioned above work, I appreciate
that saying one cannot see a sign doesn’t cut it, but
realistically based on positioning and coming onto main road,
the focus wouldn’t be on the lamppost across the road?
#Post#: 95601--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 26, 2025, 5:30 am
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--- Quote ---
> Hi guys, would the ground mentioned above work,
--- End Quote ---
Obviously you can try it, but bear in mind that the council will
reject it, so it would only get a proper airing at London
Tribunals with the full penalty in play.
#Post#: 95630--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 26, 2025, 10:28 am
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Guess the question is in adjudication what is the chances the
adjudicator would accept such grounds, with the sign being
difficult to view with oncoming traffic, as it’s one of those
classic arguments many use to try, with adjudicators also saying
too bad, you should have seen the sign.
If it’s slim then I’ll just bite the bullet now and pay the
discounted rate
#Post#: 95647--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 26, 2025, 12:52 pm
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My view is your case is not a winner at LT. Others may disagree,
or there may be a 'technical' appeal argument based on council
mismanagement of the enforcement process, but I'm not an expert
on these. They do win appeals but the reps have to be very
carefully drafted.
#Post#: 95762--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: NTIAEP
Date: October 27, 2025, 12:14 pm
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a similar case - no idea of the outcome as that OP hasn't
provided an update:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/penalty-charge-notice-for-u-turn/
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/penalty-charge-notice-for-u-turn/
Is anybody able to locate the TMO for this on LBR's website?
and to repeat my question from the above-mentioned thread,
albeit worded slighted differently.....does there have to be a
direct/explicit relationship between a sign and its
corresponding TMO? i.e. if the OP executes the u-turn prior to
the sign, is it enforceable?
#Post#: 95766--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: October 27, 2025, 12:48 pm
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The PCN is too vague as it does not clearly state what you are
alleged to have done wrong so you just deny it as unclear
#Post#: 96139--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 50u Prohibited Turn
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: October 30, 2025, 5:19 am
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Hi guys
Sorry been away so been difficult to catch up.. interesting
points made above by
I’ve also read a number posts with similar u turn cases in
Redbridge on here, some lost, won, overturned..
I believe today is the last day to cough up discounted rate as
14th day
I did definitely do the u turn and the 180/3 point turn, so by
definition i guess it falls under that.. and it’s just past the
sign i would say, thus the argument remaining would be the
signage positioning and the ability to see at that section..
I believe from my basic understanding the two signs are tied
into one another legally rather would based on what’s said here
usually appear one after another .
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