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71 in a 60
By: Basildon Bond Date: October 18, 2025, 6:53 am
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my elderly father 94 (no longer driving) still has a car
registered in his name, that I drive and he has had an NIP for
71 in a 60 with a photo (unclear) I was last stopped/done for
speeding about 8 years ago, got a course nothing else since with
squeeky clean licence - thoughts and suggestions appreciated -
it was a painted dual carriageway, overtaking lane, not a proper
dual carriageway.
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: andy_foster Date: October 18, 2025, 7:17 am
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Thoughts -
You seem to have avoided explicitly asking a question, but
mention that the NIP is addressed to your elderly father who no
longer drives. The clear implication being that you are fishing
for suggestions that we should all conspire to pervert the
course of justice by getting your elderly father to take the
points, and then we can all be **** in the showers while we are
serving our prison sentences.
You have helpfully avoided including any details on which any
viable defence to the speeding allegation might be based, other
than demonstrating that you don't know what a dual carriageway
is - although that is not a basis for a defence.
As you are already aware, your father is legally required to
name the driver.
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: Basildon Bond Date: October 18, 2025, 7:32 am
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Not at all, I'm not trying to get a suggestion my dad takes the
points, I clearly state he doesn't drive, he hasn't for years,
he surrendered his licence as he didn't feel safe anymore behind
the wheel, I mention he got the NIP as the vehicle is still
registered to him for no other reason than it is fact, but
thanks for your kind words.
What viable defence do I have, unsure, that's why I came here,
for help, I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the
driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will
be naming the driver myself.
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: The Slithy Tove Date: October 18, 2025, 8:11 am
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[quote author=Basildon Bond link=topic=8451.msg94603#msg94603
date=1760790726]
What viable defence do I have, unsure, that's why I came here,
for help, I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the
driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will
be naming the driver myself.
[/quote]
From what you have said so far, you have no viable defence.
Unless there is something significant you haven't mentioned. You
should be eligible for another course at that speed, so suggest
you/your father get(s) on with it and name(s) the driver
(yourself). The earlier you do this, and likewise when you get a
S.172 request addressed to you, the less chance it has of
running out of time to do the course.
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: NewJudge Date: October 18, 2025, 8:24 am
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[quote]I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the
driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will
be naming the driver myself.[/quote]
I'm not sure how diligent the ticket office will be but the duty
to respond to the request rests with your father and cannot be
delegated. If he is unable to do so it might be wise to consider
a change of Registered Keeper.
Is there any particular reason why your father remains RK when
he hasn't driven for years?
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: Basildon Bond Date: October 18, 2025, 8:46 am
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@New Judge - My Dad was/is still RK as it was their (my parents)
car, but sadly we've been busy as mum became longterm ill, we
had to get a bigger car with wheelchair/zimmer etc and the other
car becoming the runaround (used by me) and she recently passed,
so I'm sure you'll understand I/We've been quite busy. I have
LPA over my father, so I will in effect be incriminating myself
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: Basildon Bond Date: October 18, 2025, 8:49 am
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@The Slithy Stove - you think I'll only get a course, not the
points/fine route?
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: NewJudge Date: October 18, 2025, 9:05 am
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[quote]...so I will in effect be incriminating myself[/quote]
You would be doing exactly the same if you were the RK.
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: andy_foster Date: October 18, 2025, 9:08 am
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[quote author=NewJudge link=topic=8451.msg94617#msg94617
date=1760793847]
I'm not sure how diligent the ticket office will be but the duty
to respond to the request rests with your father and cannot be
delegated.
[/quote]
The responsibility cannot be delegated, but the performance can
- as long as the addressee was not the driver.
The dangers of delegating are 2-fold (when the addressee was not
the driver)
- if the delegate fails to provide the required information, the
addressee commits the offence. If the delegate volunteered, then
he would likely be guilty of perverting,
- the delegate providing the information required of the
delegator does not negate his subsequent requirement to provide
that information again when he receives his own s. 172
requirement (NIP).
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Re: 71 in a 60
By: FuzzyDuck Date: October 18, 2025, 11:06 am
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[quote author=Basildon Bond link=topic=8451.msg94621#msg94621
date=1760795353]
@The Slithy Stove - you think I'll only get a course, not the
points/fine route?
[/quote]
It will be either/or, your choice.
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