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       #Post#: 94090--------------------------------------------------
       Speed Signs, but not as we know them... can anything be done?
       By: Alexander6 Date: October 14, 2025, 1:43 pm
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       Recently in our village (/ small market town), the local
       council, with the agreement of the country council, have put up
       numerous "advisory speed limit" signs, with "20" in a green
       circle / white background.
       They clearly mimic standard 20mph road signs, but being advisory
       are not enforceable.
       I find the signs objectionable - not least because the number of
       them is high, and too many signs create an eyesore, and a
       distraction from seeing the notices that matter. The fixing is
       poor (a couple of cable ties, so the signs move around), the
       choice of locations is often sub-optimal, and I just find them
       smug & condescending.
       Does anyone have experience in campaigning against these? The
       number sited seems in excess of guidelines in TRSGD (though
       there's no longer a minimum for repeaters).
       The local council did some (but not exhaustive) traffic surveys
       ahead of the signs appearing, which seem to show that on most
       roads the average speed is sub-20mph (in a 30mph limit) in any
       case; which to my mind defeats the purpose of the advisory signs
       aid any case. They have no plans to monitor traffic speeds,
       other than anecdotally, so they will have no real data as to
       whether the signs make any difference. It isn't clear how long
       these signs are supposed to be up for - might there be any
       statutory time limit on such a scheme, perhaps?
       Any thoughts or input welcomed with thanks!
       #Post#: 94114--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed Signs, but not as we know them... can anything be done
       ?
       By: roythebus Date: October 14, 2025, 10:34 pm
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       Which party controls the council responsible for this? It's a
       waste of ratepayers money. go round with some wire cutters and
       cut the cabe ties, dispose of the signs thoughtfully.
       #Post#: 94125--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed Signs, but not as we know them... can anything be done
       ?
       By: Southpaw82 Date: October 15, 2025, 3:28 am
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       Please don’t advocate criminal damage.
       #Post#: 94225--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed Signs, but not as we know them... can anything be done
       ?
       By: stamfordman Date: October 15, 2025, 11:43 am
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       I think there are more important things to worry about.
       #Post#: 94570--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed Signs, but not as we know them... can anything be done
       ?
       By: Alexander6 Date: October 17, 2025, 7:43 pm
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       Thank you. I don't disagree there are more important things, but
       I do consider this to be of some importance too. At one level,
       it's 'thin end of the wedge' territory.
       There are established procedures to go through - including
       consultation - to turn a road in to a genuine 20mph zone. If
       councils and others start to believe they can shortcut the
       standards of having professionals (traffic and roadway design in
       this case) make an assessment, giving notice, taking opinions,
       allowing objections to be heard, assessing carefully, etc. etc.,
       and simply shortcut to whatever a few councillors wish, by
       putting up look-a-like signs, where will it stop? Not at speed
       signs, that's for sure.
       #Post#: 94571--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed Signs, but not as we know them... can anything be done
       ?
       By: Alexander6 Date: October 17, 2025, 7:45 pm
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       [quote author=roythebus link=topic=8400.msg94114#msg94114
       date=1760499259]
       Which party controls the council responsible for this?
       [/quote]
       No party - it's been initiated and carried through at very local
       level where councillors are non-political.
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