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PCN Brighton York Street Bus Gate
DIR By: Moetem
Date: June 23, 2023, 5:20 am
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Dear all,
*Originally posted in pepipoo forums, bringing this topic over
here*
Today I received a PCN for driving past a bus gate last weekend
at Brighton. The driver completely missed the early signage
which may have been obstructed however we don't have anyone to
check it for us currently.
Below linked PCN and GSV pictures, and the evidence video:
HTML https://gofile.io/d/dDvQmz
Also GSV links:
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8274981,-0.1354005,3a,75y,356.08h,80.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spllmC1htG1-csHktr1E1FA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8278661,-0.1354442,3a,90y,27.53h,70.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm-C7pZj8VxK06S-4iFOHOw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu
This bus gate seems to be quite famous as there's so many topics
on it but I can't find anyone successfully appealing it:
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=142872&hl=york+place
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=142194&hl=york+place
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=146819&hl=york%20place&st=0
Can anyone advise if I have anything on the PCN?
Thanks
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Re: PCN Brighton York Street Bus Gate
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 23, 2023, 10:02 am
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Can't see anything on the PCN, but I have requested the TRO. In
the meantime a plea for discretion made during the initial
discount period should see the discount re-offered.
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Re: PCN Brighton York Street Bus Gate
DIR By: Moetem
Date: June 27, 2023, 8:26 am
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Hi, thanks for the reply
Not sure i fully understand TROs but can i ask how long it'll
take?
--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Can't see anything on the PCN, but I have requested the TRO.
In the meantime a plea for discretion made during the initial
discount period should see the discount re-offered.
>
--- End Quote ---
Also not sure how to request a plea for discretion - is it the
same as an appeal? If so, then on what grounds shall i appeal
it?
Thanks for the help
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Re: PCN Brighton York Street Bus Gate
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 28, 2023, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: Moetem link ---
>
> Hi, thanks for the reply
>
> Not sure i fully understand TROs but can i ask how long it'll
take?
>
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It can take a few weeks, sometimes it's quicker. The TRO or
Traffic Regulation Order is the local bylaw that says that part
of the road is a bus lane, and only buses can drive down it.
--- Quote ---
>
> Also not sure how to request a plea for discretion - is it the
same as an appeal? If so, then on what grounds shall i appeal
it?
>
--- End Quote ---
A plea for discretion is simply a request to the authority that
they exercise their discretion to let you off. It won't apply in
your case but there's a good example here:
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=139486&view=findpost&p=1638489
If you have strong mitigating grounds that helps, but if all
else fails you can just say that it was an honest mistake /
first time contravention and please would they let you off.
Post a draft on here before submitting.
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Re: PCN Brighton York Street Bus Gate
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 29, 2023, 11:19 am
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I've been able to track down:
The Brighton & Hove (Bus Lanes) Consolidation Order 2018
HTML https://ww3.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/brighton-hove.gov.uk/files/TRO-23-2018%20Order.pdf
The Brighton & Hove (Bus Lanes) Consolidation Order 2018
Amendment Order No.2 2021
HTML https://bit.ly/44sFBs9
I can't see anything wrong with the order, but gives others a
chance to have a look. You might as well carry on with a plea
for discretion as you have nothing to lose in giving it a go,
and they might mess up the response.
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