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Hypothetical (possibly) YBJ question
By: Innocentman Date: October 11, 2025, 6:25 pm
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Wondering about this - it's never happened to me, but it could
have done, and I've certainly witnessed the scenario where it
could have happened to somebody else.
Might as well use the drawing in the HC to illustrate.
[img width=960
height=662]
HTML https://highwaycode.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/highway-code-rule-174.jpg[/img]
So imagine you're the driver of the green car, or of a car
behind him, waiting, allowably, to turn right because it's only
oncoming traffic (i.e. the two silver MPVs) stopping you - the
road you're turning into is clear.
But while you are waiting, cars in the opposite direction are
turning left into that road, something causes the traffic to
back up until it gets to the point where the road is full of
stationary cars backed up to the junction.
Vehicles coming towards you, intending to turn left, stop, as
they may not enter the box, or the lights go red.
At that point it is not oncoming traffic preventing you from
exiting the box, it's that your exit road is not clear. But it
was when you entered the box.
Do all enforcement cameras record video, or would you end up
with only stills showing you blocking the BJ?
If video is recorded, can one rely on councils/TFL fairly
considering all of it, or might they be "selective" in order to
pursue a penalty charge?
As I said, this is hypothetical, but I have been "green car man"
at a junction where I've at other times been travelling the
opposite way and turning left, stopped because the road I wanted
to turn left into has become blocked, and seen some poor "green
car man" left high and dry and wondered if he would get done for
blocking the box.
#Post#: 93782--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypothetical (possibly) YBJ question
By: John_S Date: October 12, 2025, 3:50 am
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In short, there would be no contravention in the scenario you
describe.
The enforcement authority needs to prove that your exit was
blocked at the time you entered the yellow box. Still images are
never enough to achieve this at adjudication. In addition, you
may have dashcam footage that would prove your case.
In this scenario the Green car should wait in the middle of the
junction and not move until his exit becomes clear, regardless
of what the automatic traffic signals are showing at that time.
(In real life the Green car should be slightly further forward).
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