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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 16, 2025, 5:04 am
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The offence isn't just stopping due to the presence of
stationary vehicles, it is having to stop.
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 16, 2025, 6:19 am
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Precisely! +1.
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 16, 2025, 6:28 am
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Plus the truck was moving when car stopped as truck was edging
across.
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: zeezee
Date: October 22, 2025, 5:07 am
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My friend has created an initial draft to send to the
adjudicator.
Would he need to add or remove anything here, and also discuss
costs in this appeal letter?
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Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to appeal the above Penalty Charge Notice on the grounds
that the alleged contravention did not occur, and that the
signage and layout at the location are unclear and misleading.
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1. The junction layout and signage are ambiguous
The location in question is a Y-junction with markings and signs
that are not sufficiently clear to indicate that a driver must
give way to oncoming traffic in the manner alleged. The “Give
Way to Oncoming Vehicles” sign (if present) is not positioned in
a way that gives adequate notice before the decision point.
Furthermore, there is no clear road marking or controlled line
that would indicate exactly where a vehicle is required to stop
or yield.
A motorist approaching the junction would reasonably assume that
the key requirement is to ensure their exit path is clear and
that they do not obstruct oncoming vehicles. The layout
therefore allows for differing interpretations of when and where
a vehicle should stop or proceed, creating unfair grounds for
enforcement.
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2. My driving was reasonable and in compliance with visible
conditions
At the time of the alleged contravention, I approached the
junction from [insert direction]. I slowed appropriately,
assessed the oncoming traffic, and proceeded when my exit was
clear and it was safe to do so. There was no risk of collision
or obstruction, and my actions complied with both the Highway
Code and the apparent road design.
At no point did I obstruct or fail to give way to oncoming
traffic. If any movement was made while waiting for traffic to
pass, it was to position safely and allow for clearer
visibility. The enforcement video (if reviewed) should confirm
that my actions were cautious, proportionate, and consistent
with safe driving.
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3. The alleged contravention is based on an unclear
interpretation of the regulations
The traffic sign “Give Way to Oncoming Vehicles” (diagram 615 in
the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016)
requires drivers to yield only when necessary to avoid conflict
with oncoming traffic. It does not prohibit a driver from
proceeding when their exit is clear and no oncoming vehicle has
priority at that specific moment.
Therefore, unless the authority can demonstrate that an oncoming
vehicle was actually impeded or that I entered the junction
contrary to a clear and enforceable restriction, the
contravention cannot be proven.
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4. Inadequate evidence and unfair enforcement
From the available evidence, there is no clear indication that I
failed to give way. The CCTV stills provided do not establish
that an oncoming vehicle was forced to slow or stop, nor do they
show any contravention markings such as a solid stop line or
controlled junction. The enforcement appears to rely on
subjective interpretation rather than a clear breach of signage
or road rules.
In such circumstances, it would be unreasonable to uphold a
penalty, as drivers cannot be expected to comply with signage or
layouts that lack clarity or enforceable instruction.
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5. Conclusion
For these reasons, I respectfully submit that the alleged
contravention did not occur and that the Penalty Charge Notice
should be cancelled. The junction’s layout and signage fail to
provide the necessary clarity to fairly impose enforcement, and
my driving at the time was both lawful and considerate.
I kindly request that the adjudicator allow this appeal and
direct that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Yours faithfully,
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 22, 2025, 5:20 am
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Scrap all of that. In any case all you need to do is register
the appeal and opt for a video or telephone hearing.
If you want to send something now just send the below but you
can upload stuff later.
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In its rejection of my representations the authority
misunderstands the law.
The contravention did not occur as at no point did I stop within
the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles -
the second limb was missed by the authority.
The video shows a truck moving to encroach across my route
across the box and I stopped only to allow it to proceed. The
truck was moving when I did stop to give way, as were the two
following cars, and no contravention occurred.
#Post#: 95140--------------------------------------------------
Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: October 22, 2025, 6:37 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Scrap all of that. In any case all you need to do is register
the appeal and opt for a video or telephone hearing.
>
> If you want to send something now just send the below but you
can upload stuff later.
>
> ----------
>
> In its rejection of my representations the authority
misunderstands the law.
>
> The contravention did not occur as at no point did I stop
within the box junction due to the presence of stationary
vehicles - the second limb was missed by the authority.
>
> The video shows a truck moving to encroach across my route
across the box and I stopped only to allow it to proceed. The
truck was moving when I did stop to give way, as were the two
following cars, and no contravention occurred.
>
--- End Quote ---
+1 HCA and Stamfordman have given you the grounds for appeal
stick with them the shape and size of the box are not winners.
Also see the excerpt from the case I posted in support of the
popular view it outlines how adjudicators can and should
interpret the law
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: zeezee
Date: November 17, 2025, 7:32 pm
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Hi guys
So he has drafted the appeal for submission - will this be ok to
attach?
PS. He will be out of the country on the date of the hearing,
hence drafting the appeal letter.
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To: The Adjudicator, London Tribunals
Ground of Appeal: The Alleged Contravention Did Not Occur
Dear Adjudicator,
I respectfully submit this appeal against the Penalty Charge
Notice issued by the London Borough of Waltham Forest. Having
reviewed the CCTV evidence provided, I maintain that the alleged
contravention did not occur for the reasons detailed below.
1. I did not stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
Under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, a
yellow box junction (YBJ) contravention occurs only where:
The vehicle enters the box junction and has to stop within the
box due to the presence of stationary vehicles. The CCTV clearly
shows that I did not stop because my exit was obstructed by a
queue of stationary traffic. Instead, I stopped solely to give
way to a large vehicle completing a turning manoeuvre ahead of
me.
This is an entirely lawful and expected action.
Stopping to allow another vehicle to safely turn or pass is not
prohibited by YBJ regulations and does not satisfy the statutory
test for the contravention.
Adjudicators have repeatedly found that if a driver stops due to
moving traffic, turning vehicles, or safety considerations—as
opposed to stationary queues—no contravention occurs. (please
refer to case = 2160310225).
2. My exit was not blocked when I entered the junction.
I entered the box when I reasonably believed my exit was
available.
There was no stationary queue preventing me from clearing the
junction at the moment I entered it.
The short stop occurred only because the turning vehicle ahead
required space to complete its manoeuvre. Once that vehicle
passed, I cleared the box promptly.
As such, the stop was not the consequence of stationary
vehicles, and therefore the contravention cannot be made out.
3. The enforcement relies on the Highway Code wording, not the
statutory test.
Authorities often take the view that stopping in a yellow box
for any reason constitutes a contravention.
However, the Highway Code phrasing (“Do not enter the box unless
your exit is clear”) is guidance.
It does not define the legal offence.
The legal test remains narrow and specific:
•
In this case, the reason for my stop was a moving vehicle
performing a turn—not stationary traffic. Therefore, the
statutory elements of the contravention are not satisfied.
4. My actions were safe, reasonable, and fully compliant with
the law.
I entered the junction with space ahead of me and only paused to
avoid conflict with the turning vehicle. I acted in accordance
with normal safe driving practice.
The council’s enforcement appears to focus solely on the fact
that I momentarily stopped, without considering the actual
cause.
The CCTV evidence makes clear that:
•
•
•
stationary obstruction.
This falls outside the scope of the contravention.
Conclusion
For the reasons above, the statutory basis for the alleged
contravention is not met. The stop was caused by a turning
vehicle and not by stationary traffic. I therefore respectfully
request that the Adjudicator allow this appeal.
Thank you for your careful consideration.
Yours faithfully,
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 18, 2025, 1:02 am
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> PS. He will be out of the country on the date of the hearing,
hence drafting the appeal letter.
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When is the hearing?
How long out of country?
Has he received the Evidence Pack?
LTribunals are normally amenable to changing date of hearing,
and also to changing from decision on papers to personal.
P.S.
In th draft, I'd change the phrase stationary queue to
stationary vehicles wherever it appears.
#Post#: 98625--------------------------------------------------
Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: zeezee
Date: November 18, 2025, 5:26 am
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When is the hearing? -----25th Nov
How long out of the country? ---------- He's going this Fri and
back in 2 weeks
Has he received the Evidence Pack? -------- Yes
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Re: YBJ in walthamstow - Giving way to on coming traffic
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 18, 2025, 6:22 am
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I would add the missing information in my first link. Today is
the last day unless you reschedule the hearing.
Success here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-pcn-entered-a-pedestrian-zone-sydney-road/msg98608/#msg98608
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