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       #Post#: 93668--------------------------------------------------
       Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the cours
       e isn't completed? 
       By: RT601-303 Date: October 11, 2025, 5:42 am
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       Reason I ask is the course date is 7 months after the date of
       the (alleged) speeding offence and my understanding is that they
       must prosecute within 6 months - so if that 6 month date has
       been and gone....
       Another question, this came up while discussing this with a few
       friends over a drink, and somebody came up with this, which I
       found intriguing:
       "If you don't rate the content of the course why not ask for
       your money back or do a chargeback if they refuse? Under the
       Distance Selling Regulations any product or service must be fit
       for purpose, if it isn't you're entitled to your money back."
       As a retail business owner I thought about this and I think he
       actually has a valid point. I probably wouldn't try it but it's
       an interesting point, as the course payment fee is a bill, not a
       fine. Is he right?
       #Post#: 93671--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: roythebus Date: October 11, 2025, 6:03 am
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       Some interesting points there, and if you don't do the course
       some different points.
       I've done a few of these courses over the years and I've found
       that sometimes the course tutor (?) asks the wrong question.
       Rxample, he shows a NSL sign and asks "what is the speed limit
       here?" Someone raises a valid point, "what am I driving?". A
       car, bus, lorry, towing a trailer? There's been several similar
       wrong questions that have slipped my mind.
       #Post#: 93672--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: andy_foster Date: October 11, 2025, 6:15 am
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       They have 6 months to instigate court proceedings for the
       speeding offence, from date of offence. They cannot protectively
       instigate proceedings (raise the paperwork in case they decide
       to prosecute and then sit on it until some contingent event
       occurs/doesn't occur).
       The reason that course offers are generally not made much beyond
       3 months, and the requirement is generally that courses must be
       completed by about 4 months is to avoid this issue.
       #Post#: 93674--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: RT601-303 Date: October 11, 2025, 7:18 am
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       [quote author=roythebus link=topic=8361.msg93671#msg93671
       date=1760180621]
       Some interesting points there, and if you don't do the course
       some different points.
       I've done a few of these courses over the years and I've found
       that sometimes the course tutor (?) asks the wrong question.
       Rxample, he shows a NSL sign and asks "what is the speed limit
       here?" Someone raises a valid point, "what am I driving?". A
       car, bus, lorry, towing a trailer? There's been several similar
       wrong questions that have slipped my mind.
       [/quote]
       Yes, your point reminds me of a question about braking or
       stopping distances I was asked on my driving test, back in the
       70's - The examiner asked what the braking (or stopping, can't
       remember) distance was for a certain speed and I said it was
       irrelevant as it depended on the condition of the car, brakes
       etc, the road condition and the driver's reaction time. He said,
       "I can't really argue with that". I passed.
       We had a really interesting conversation and some other points
       came up too - another one was "What qualifications does the
       tutor have, based on the point that 'if you don't complete the
       course to his satisfaction he can refer you back to the police
       who can then go ahead with a prosecution if they choose to do
       so'," - i.e. on what legal basis do they define "completing the
       course to the tutor's satisfaction? I'm probably more
       experienced than he is!
       Love the sig, I was a bus driver too for a while, long time ago.
       #Post#: 93680--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: RT601-303 Date: October 11, 2025, 8:00 am
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       [quote author=andy_foster link=topic=8361.msg93672#msg93672
       date=1760181342]
       They have 6 months to instigate court proceedings for the
       speeding offence, from date of offence. They cannot protectively
       instigate proceedings (raise the paperwork in case they decide
       to prosecute and then sit on it until some contingent event
       occurs/doesn't occur).
       The reason that course offers are generally not made much beyond
       3 months, and the requirement is generally that courses must be
       completed by about 4 months is to avoid this issue.
       [/quote]
       I seem to remember that the paperwork said my course had to be
       completed within 6 months, but I could be wrong. I remember I
       was quite surprised as I expected it to be fairly soon, after
       all aren't they supposed to be teaching us how to drive more
       safely? If it's important enough to photograph us for going a
       few miles over the limit I would expect it to be important
       enough to get the course in front of you as soon as possible.
       I'm going to be away for a couple of months (contractual
       obligation) which may run over time so I chose the latest date I
       could, that being just 2 days before the date by which I need to
       complete the course. I'm sure it was 6 months, I'll check, but
       it will definitely be over 7 months since the date of the
       offence.
       #Post#: 93683--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: NewJudge Date: October 11, 2025, 8:22 am
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       [quote]i.e. on what legal basis do they define "completing the
       course to the tutor's satisfaction? [/quote]
       Courses have no legal basis whatsoever. There is no legislation
       covering either them being offered, taken or satisfactorily
       completed. Everything about the process is at the discretion of
       the police.
       I suppose if you paid for a course and the police claim you did
       not complete it satisfactorily you could make  a claim for
       reimbursement if you could show you did actually complete the
       course properly. However, legally that would not prevent the
       police from prosecuting you.
       I suppose if they did you would have to to argue that a
       subsequent prosecution was an "abuse of process". Even though
       courses are outside the law, the police have taken money from
       you (via the course provider whom you pay) with a pledge not to
       prosecute you provided the course is completed satisfactorily.
       But that's only  guess as it is outside my knowledge.
       [quote]I'm going to be away for a couple of months (contractual
       obligation) which may run over time so I chose the latest date I
       could, that being just 2 days before the date by which I need to
       complete the course. I'm sure it was 6 months, I'll check, but
       it will definitely be over 7 months since the date of the
       offence.[/quote]
       You may find that if you fail to complete the course by the six
       month deadline (whether you've booked one or not) they may
       prosecute you. Many forces have a habit of leaving beginning
       court proceedings until a day or two before the deadline is up.
       You may return from your trip to find a "Single Justice
       Procedure Notice" on the doormat.
       You have two choices: ring them up to find out or don't. If you
       do, it my stir them into action when they might not otherwise
       have done so. If you don't and they do propose to prosecute you,
       you will be faced with  much larger bill and penalty points.
       #Post#: 93686--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: RT601-303 Date: October 11, 2025, 8:39 am
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       Thanks, appreciated.
       Re. the first part, there seems to be very little information on
       this, the only thing I can determine is that you "may" be
       reported to the police who "may" consider prosecuting you for
       the offence if the course is not completed to the tutor's
       satisfaction.
       I'm just curious on what basis the police could prosecute you if
       the course is "not completed satisfactorily" as there are no
       rules (or even guidelines as far as I can tell) that define what
       is meant by completing the course satisfactorily...and if they
       can prosecute you at all if the course date doesn't occur until
       7 months after the date of the offence.
       Re. the second part, I think you've misinterpreted my comment.
       I'm not suggesting I'm going to be away when the course is due
       to take place, what I'm saying is I deliberately left it as late
       as possible because I know that I'm shortly going to be away for
       a couple of months. It may be longer but it's highly unlikely
       that I won't be back before the start of the course, I just
       wanted to make sure I reduced the (outside) possibility of that
       occurring by booking the course as late as possible.
       #Post#: 93696--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: andy_foster Date: October 11, 2025, 9:32 am
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       The basis for any prosecution for speeding is the allegation and
       evidence that you were speeding. That should not need to be
       explained.
       You have now decided to drip feed us with a vague reference to a
       stipulation that the course must be completed within a timescale
       that precedes your course date. If they decide to instigate
       court proceedings on or after that date, but within 6 months of
       the date of the alleged offence, then the legal basis for the
       prosecution would be as described at the top of this post.
       #Post#: 93702--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: RT601-303 Date: October 11, 2025, 10:05 am
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       Sorry, but I have not "decided to drip feed (you) with a vague
       reference to a stipulation that the course must be completed
       within a timescale that precedes (my) course date". I don't even
       fully understand your comment; In fact the exact opposite is
       true - I specifically stated in my very first sentence that "the
       course date is 7 months after the date of the (alleged) speeding
       offence and my understanding is that they must prosecute within
       6 months". I'm not sure what part of that is causing any
       confusion.
       I'm not disputing any of the content of your first sentence and
       frankly I've no idea why you even chose to bring it up. All I'm
       trying to establish is whether or not any action can be taken
       beyond the 6 month point following the date of the alleged
       offence as it may also be helpful to others and it's an
       interesting point GIVEN THAT the paperwork I received suggests
       that the matter will be referred back to the police and I would
       be potentially liable for prosecution if the course is not
       "completed successfully".
       It's a simple question, can they prosecute or not in these
       circumstances given that the course date is 7 months after the
       date of the alleged offence? I'm not sure what part of that is
       causing any confusion. My assumption based on my understanding
       of the 6 month rule is that there is nothing the police or
       authorities can do.
       #Post#: 93703--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Speed awareness course - can police still prosecute if the c
       ourse isn't completed? 
       By: RT601-303 Date: October 11, 2025, 10:16 am
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       [quote author=RT601-303 link=topic=8361.msg93702#msg93702
       date=1760195132]
       Sorry, but I have not "decided to drip feed (you) with a vague
       reference to a stipulation that the course must be completed
       within a timescale that precedes (my) course date". I don't even
       fully understand your comment; In fact the exact opposite is
       true - I specifically stated in my very first sentence that "the
       course date is 7 months after the date of the (alleged) speeding
       offence and my understanding is that they must prosecute within
       6 months". I'm not sure what part of that is causing any
       confusion.
       I'm not disputing any of the content of your first sentence and
       frankly I've no idea why you even chose to bring it up. All I'm
       trying to establish is whether or not any action can be taken
       beyond the 6 month point following the date of the alleged
       offence as it may also be helpful to others and it's an
       interesting point GIVEN THAT the paperwork I received suggests
       that the matter will be referred back to the police and I would
       be potentially liable for prosecution if the course is not
       "completed successfully".*
       It's a simple question, can they prosecute or not in these
       circumstances given that the course date is 7 months after the
       date of the alleged offence? I'm not sure what part of that is
       causing any confusion. My assumption based on my understanding
       of the 6 month rule is that there is nothing the police or
       authorities can do.
       [/quote]
       * I've just read part of the terms and this is the relevant
       part:
       "you fail to participate fully during the Course the trainer may
       ask you to leave. In these instances, you may not be able to
       reschedule, and you may be referred back to the Police".
       There are various similar comments, such as if you fail to
       appear for the course etc. in which the same scenario would
       apply. This refers to the AA Drivetech version but I would
       imagine other speed awareness courses have similar terms. I
       don't have a copy of the original form to hand but it definitely
       included a comment which stated that if you failed to complete
       the course "to the trainer's satisfaction" that it may be
       referred back to the police.
       Not sure how much more information I can add to clarify the
       point.
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