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       #Post#: 10178--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: Verdomde
       Date: November 14, 2023, 11:32 am
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       From tusker (the lease company)
       I have been through all the correspondence from yourself and
       have located the email dated 23/8/23 where you request Tusker
       not make payment against a fine issued to your Salary Sacrifice
       Vehicle.
       Within that email, you have not provided any of the PNC details
       or your vehicle registration only an SQ reference which does not
       relate to any fine within our system therefore we have no way of
       tracking the notice should it arrive. Now, over 2 months later
       your appeal appears been rejected as the increased notice has
       been issued to Tusker as we are the registered keeper and in
       line with your SS4C agreement Tusker would be looking to make
       full payment and invoice your employer to be deducted from your
       salary.
       On this occasion, I have recalled the payment that has been made
       which leaves the notice open again and we will request a
       transfer of liability to you. Please be aware that by making
       this request;
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       that we hold for the VW iD3 is not with yourself but with your
       employer, and your employer will not allow us to transfer
       notices in their name.
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       this notice
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       the amount requested at that time and invoice this for deduction
       from your salary and you will be notified by email that the
       payment has been made.
       By Tusker taking this action it does not set a precedent for
       further notices that may be issued to your Salary Sacrifice
       Vehicle in the future and all such notices will be processed as
       detailed in your scheme policy, Drivers Guide and agreement.
       #Post#: 10179--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: Verdomde
       Date: November 14, 2023, 11:34 am
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       Tusker sent me a copy of the liability transfer, but not sure
       where it is, will find it at home and scan it if it's useful?
       #Post#: 10352--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: November 15, 2023, 5:16 pm
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       --- Quote from: Verdomde link ---
       >
       > Tusker sent me a copy of the liability transfer, but not sure
       where it is, will find it at home and scan it if it's useful?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Tusker is particularly thick and stupid, "your employer will not
       allow us to transfer notices in their name", that's not how it
       works, the employer has no choice. Still, if the council has
       gone ahead and accepted Tusker's representation the whole point
       becomes academic, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
       At this point I would suggest you post up all the documents
       you've received, redact your name and address but label every
       document so that we know what is addressed to you and what is
       addressed to Tusker.
       Also, have you got the council photos? If yes, please post them
       up. If not, please contact the council and ask that they email
       the photos to you.
       Lastly the parking places order here
  HTML https://tro.transportappeals.scot/TRO/Perth%20and%20Kinross%20Council/Off-Street-Car-Parks-Order-2015-signed.PDF<br
       />doesn't mention anything about parking places reserved for
       council vehicles only, and I also cannot see anything that
       creates any restricted areas. I had a quick look at the amending
       orders at
  HTML https://tro.transportappeals.scot/authority_tro/?authority=Perth%20and%20Kinross%20Council<br
       />(you need to filter to "off-street") and none of the amending
       orders create any such restrictions either, so it looks like the
       council doesn't get past go with this one.
       #Post#: 10370--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: Verdomde
       Date: November 16, 2023, 4:16 am
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       From your document link (the first one)
       Restrictions on use of car parks
       22
       When in or near any car park, signs are erected or surface
       markings are laid down for the purpose of
       indicating the entrance or exit thereof, a specified direction
       of travel, an area of the car park which is
       to be kept clear of vehicles, or for any other purpose, no
       person shall drive or cause or permit to be
       driven or shall leave any vehicle other than in accordance with
       the instructions indicated by means of
       the said signs or markings.
       wouldn't that cover parking places reserved for council vehicles
       only
       I have links to all the docs and pictures above, I'll try find
       time to edit the uploads as soon as I possibly can
       #Post#: 10534--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: November 18, 2023, 12:54 pm
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       --- Quote from: Verdomde link ---
       >
       > wouldn't that cover parking places reserved for council
       vehicles only
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       That is arguable, but the counter-argument is that an order is
       meant to designate what's what and the signs merely reflect the
       order.
       Otherwise a council could make a 1 line TRO for all roads and
       car parks within the council area, simply saying that you must
       obey all signs that the council might put up anywhere, which
       would make a mockery of the whole system.
       #Post#: 11536--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: Verdomde
       Date: November 29, 2023, 9:47 am
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       I don't really know what to do, so am just sending this
       Hello
       My car was parked there while for a visit in Perth and had some
       food in a Cafe. There was a PCN on the window upon return.
       It seems the area in question is supposed to be for council
       vehicles only, but it is not marked as such anywhere in or
       around the parking bays:
       
       {pictures}
       Clearly there is no appropriate signage, it is only on hunting
       around that it can eventually be found that there are white on
       white signs hidden in the rafters- from the perspective of a
       driver:
       
       {pictures}
       It is not acceptable to expect motorists to see such scant
       signage.
       to highlight, here is a section from the BPA Code of Practice
       You must place signs containing the specific parking terms
       throughout the site, so that drivers are given the chance to
       read them at the time of parking or leaving their vehicle. Keep
       a record of where all the signs are. Signs must be conspicuous
       and legible, and written in intelligible language, so that they
       are easy to see, read and understand. Signs showing your
       detailed terms and conditions must be at least 450mm x 450mm
       These signs are inconspicuous and camouflaged. As are the
       laminated sheets of paper, also out of view above the eye-line
       of motorists who are navigating narrow and potentially dangerous
       turns and ramps. The below was taken when standing to get an
       angle where the laminates are even visible, you can imagine how
       hidden they are when in a car!
       {pictures}
       
       The state of the signage around these bays needs to be reviewed
       seriously- there should be signs at each parking bay, or at the
       very least between each charger, and conspicuous prominent
       signage in plain view in the eyeline of motorists. The signs
       should not only stipulate that an area is for council use, but
       that there may be penalties for others using it. There should
       also be clear indication of which area the signs pertain to, is
       it just the bays below the signs, the front part of the area? It
       is unclear. This is another reason why signage should be visible
       to people when parking, close to vehicles, and close to
       chargers.
       In the next images you can see more evidence that there is no
       signage to indicate the bay should not be used:
       {pictures}
       The a4 laminate that is supposed to pass for a sign is at least
       4 bays away from the vehicle, high up in the rafters, and hidden
       from view to cars coming down the ramp by the other rafters and
       the angle at which you are driving.
       
       It should be noted that any other images considered when
       reviewing the signage should be looked at with discretion, a
       driver is lower than someone with a camera held high, and a
       camera with a flash on will make the signs appear almost visible
       from that perspective. Remember it is drivers who will be
       expected to notice signage…
       #Post#: 11762--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: December 2, 2023, 9:03 am
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       Let us know when you get a response, if you get a notice of
       rejection addressed to you (and not your employer or the lease
       company) then it's an easy win as there is no legal basis for
       the council to demand the penalty from you.
       #Post#: 11858--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: Verdomde
       Date: December 4, 2023, 10:36 am
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       Tusker got back to me (i asked them to re-send)
       the contents of the authorisation was this
       Parking Services Perth
       and Kinross Council
       35 Kinnoull Street
       Perth
       PH1 5GD
       31/10/2023
       To whom it may concern
       THIRD PARTY AUTHORISATION LETTER
       Please accept this letter as confirmation that Tusker authorise
       you to communicate directly with the nominated person
       detailed below in relation to the Penalty Charge Notice they
       have received:
       Vehicle Registration: RJ23FFX
       Reference: PK65201252
       Make/Model:
       Contract Start Date:
       Contract End Date:
       Customer Name:
       Customer Address:
       
       The above vehicle is on long term lease with Tusker and the
       nominated person above has full use of the vehicle.
       Kind Regards,
       Contract Administration Supervisor
       
       #Post#: 11872--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: December 4, 2023, 1:20 pm
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       This is history and has been overtaken by events.
       You received a NTO dated 8 Nov, and this is what counts.
       You have until 7 Dec. to make reps to the council.
       Have you sent reps?
       #Post#: 11912--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN number: PK65201252,Canal Street Multi Storey Car Park
       Perth, parking in an area reserved for Council Vehicles on
   DIR By: Verdomde
       Date: December 5, 2023, 6:40 am
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       Hi, I guess reps is the appeal, I got stressed about how long i
       had, so sent on Friday
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