DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so ...
*****************************************************
#Post#: 93140--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 6, 2025, 4:03 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Any opinion or shared experience you can provide that supports
this "design flaw" argument will be invaluable for my appeal.
I wouldn't even go there. *
If asking for discretion do not mix this with a claim that it's
the council's fault anyway. What do you think this would achieve
at this stage?
Appeals have been won on whether a council's P&D tickets or
vouchers are fit for purpose but ONLY when they were displayed
as required when the driver left the vehicle and then failed
e.g. adhesive melts in the sun.
Would you be claiming that the permit was fine when you left the
car and curled up afterwards??
#Post#: 93144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: October 6, 2025, 4:51 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> [quote author=H C Andersen link=topic=8279.msg93003#msg93003
date=1759747215]
> *- if true!
>
--- End Quote ---
Same OP:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/code-19-medway-council-meadowbank-resident-parking-permit-partially-displayed/
[/quote]
Thank you for highlighting that.
I might be wrong but I don't believe this is the same situation
/ circumstances with this PCN and other PCN you have highlighted
with Medway Council.
On that previous occasion, I wrote a letter explaining the
mitigating circumstances and apologised, asking for discretion
on compassionate grounds. That appeal was rejected, even though
a valid permit was held and sent with the appeal.
Before submitting that appeal I called the council and explained
the situation and a staff member informed me that if I submitted
proof of my valid permit, the PCN "will be cancelled." Which I
did.
I relied on this advice and submitted my current permit with an
apology and explaining the mitigating circumstances,
but the council reneged on this and rejected my appeal.
I am unsure if this will work this time. I am looking for other
options / points to appeal this PCN. Is the poor quality of the
material of the permit a valid point?
The key lesson from that experience is that an apologetic
approach, asking for sympathy, does not seem to work any longer
with Medway Council for this type of PCN."
Although it depends on who is reviewing the appeal.
#Post#: 93148--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: October 6, 2025, 6:08 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Is it not permissible to attach (adhesive, double-sided tape,
staple etc) the permit to a rigid backing, like card or plastic,
so it doesn't curl?
My wife just uses sellotape invisible tape to fix a parking
permit to the windscreen of our car
#Post#: 93154--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: theronstar
Date: October 6, 2025, 8:44 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Hello, I am a traffic warden and - ironically - feel sorry for
the OP.
I feel that her council are particularly harsh, in mandating
that the resident permit needs to be physically displayed. In
Westminster, they went digital a few years ago, and others seem
to be moving in that direction.
In the boroughs that issue physical permits, the only situation
where the physical permit really matters is when the permit is
non-vehicle specific e.g. a hair salon buys a physical business
permit, then receives it in the post. It is incumbent on the
duty hairdresser to display the permit on their dashboard, as
this is the only proof that that vehicle has parking rights. If
the permit curls up due to the sun, then all hell breaks loose.
I concur with the OP, on the premise that paper permits do not
curl up in the way that laminated ones do, and urge the OP to
flag that issue at the council as best as they can. It is a
serious design flaw!
I am unsure if the challenge to the PCN is the best avenue for
that though.
I am going off on a tangent but one thing I hate is P&D ticket
machines that do not dispense a P&D ticket with an adhesive that
the driver can use to stop the ticket flipping over. All hell
breaks loose there too!
With respect to the actual appeal, I reviewed the photos of the
PCN, but could not find any of signage to say that she was in a
permit holder bay. I always take a photo of a sign in proximity
of the vehicle that I issue. In the cases where colleagues have
not done so, the PCNs can get challenged, and successfully
overturned on this point.
#Post#: 93158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 7, 2025, 2:02 am
---------------------------------------------------------
With respect to the actual appeal, I reviewed the photos of the
PCN, but could not find any of signage to say that she was in a
permit holder bay.
That's because they're the OP's. The council's are a different
matter!
*****************************************************
Page 2 of 2
DIR Previous Page