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Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: October 4, 2025, 9:15 am
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@H C Anderson
@stamfordman
@cp8759
Hi all,
I've received a PCN and would appreciate your advice before I
submit my informal appeal within the discount period which is
Monday.
Date:22nd Sept, 2024
Contravention Code:16 (parked in a permit space without
displaying a valid permit)
Time:13:39
The contravention Code 16 states "parked in a permit space
without displaying a valid permit". However, I hold a valid
permit which expires 26th December 2025. Linked to permit.
The core issue is its *clarity not visibility*.
The PCN was issued on a sunny day in broad daylight, not at dusk
or when it was dark.
When I discovered the PCN around 8.45 pm, I first checked the
permit on the windscreen and the details were readable even
though it was dark at night.
Here’s the situation:
The Permit's Condition:The edges of the permit have a tendency
to fold up, likely due to weather and the material. The edges
were folded when the PCN was issued.
All my Medway permits end up folded up. I don't have this issue
with my other permits.
The CEO's Perspective: The CEO's photos (link below) appear to
be taken from the driver's side or other angles where the folded
permit's details are obscured.
The Actual Visibility: Despite the fold, the permit details were
fully visible from a direct, frontal view or from the passenger
side where it's displayed. This wasn't a case of a missing
permit, but one that this CEO chose to read from that angle. The
blue Medway permit was clearly visible but maybe couldn't be
read from the specific angles the CEO used.
My car was parked in its usual space, and if that was the case I
should have had multiple PCN's. I haven't changed anything
regarding displaying my permit and I haven't received another
PCN. I am assuming it was a desperate CEO.
I plan to appeal on the grounds that a valid permit was
displayed and was legible from the correct vantage point. I will
include a clear photo of the valid permit laid flat. Is this a
valid grounds? What is the technical name for it?
Are there any other additional grounds for appealing ?
I'd appreciate your opinions on a few things:
1. How should I best frame this "visibility / readability vs.
angle" argument to the council?
2. Is it worth including my own photos demonstrating the
permit's visibility from the front/passenger side?
3. Any other suggestions or similar experiences?
I'd be grateful for your opinions, suggestions and any other
points to include in the appeal.
All thoughts are welcome. Thanks in advance for your help.
Link to PCN & Current Permit
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 4, 2025, 1:40 pm
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So this time you do have a code 16.
And this is the CEO's pic...
Can't you get a holder that keeps the permit flat?
HTML https://i.ibb.co/4Rn9fzQN/med.jpg
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 4, 2025, 6:13 pm
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Sorry to have to say it, but if this is your idea of
"visibility", I can see why the CEO served a PCN.
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: October 6, 2025, 2:34 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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So this time you do have a code 16.
And this is the CEO's pic...
Can't you get a holder that keeps the permit flat?
[member=2249]stamfordman[/member]
Thanks for your response
What is the correct code CC 16 or CC 19?
It is code 19 that I have seen issued on my road which is
usually £50.
A simple 'yes' or 'no' and a brief explanation of the difference
in relation toy case between Code 16 and Code 19 would
beincredibly helpful for me to understand how to proceed with
challenging this and any future PCN's.
The Flawed CEO's photographic Evidence:
It is Inadequate and Misleading. I have serious concerns about
the photographic evidence provided on the Medway website.
Timing and Visibility: My own photograph, taken at 20:45,
clearly shows the permit details. In contrast, the CEO's photo
was taken at 13:39 in full daylight, yet the details are
obscured
The CEO's daytime photo is angled to obscure the details, while
my evening photo proves the permit was visible and valid. This
feels like a deliberate attempt to misrepresent the situation.
The CEO deliberately took the photograph from an angle that
makes the permit details unreadable, rather than capturing a
clear, front-on shot. This does not constitute reasonable or
fair evidence.
Furthermore, no one else has access to my car, the permit could
not have been adjusted between the CEO's photograph and my own.
Please review the picture I took in the night around 20:45 hrs.
Let me know what you think.
2. The Permit Holder:
The holders (even expensive ones) warp, and the permit itself
curls due to weather, despite my best efforts to keep it flat. I
have bought several permit holders even expensive ones. Also the
paper permit itself starts curling after a couple of months.
When it is new it is fine. I have the previous years and it is
the same.
Any suggestions how to stop or avoid this curling or the permit
and the permit holder will be appreciated. It can be very
stressful. My other permit ehich is a round one does not curl.
Any advice on how to best frame my appeal would be hugely
appreciated
I want to send it today to be within the discount period just
incase it turns out that I have to pay it.
Many thanks.
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: October 6, 2025, 2:44 am
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> Sorry to have to say it, but if this is your idea of
"visibility", I can see why the CEO served a PCN.
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
I appreciate you taking the time to look, but I would encourage
you to review the full context in my original post and my linked
pictures before drawing a conclusion. My explanation and the
photo evidence (including the time-stamped images from the CEO
and myself) address the specific issues of the permit's
condition and the angle of the official photograph. I'm here for
constructive advice on challenging the PCN based on that
evidence
Please review the full context if you'd like to contribute
constructively."
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 6, 2025, 5:16 am
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The CEO's pic shows a mess of curled up permits.
All you have is an ask for discretion showing you have a valid
permit and note their permits do curl but really you need to
take responsibility.
Tape the holder shut so the permit can't curl or get one that
seals flat.
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 6, 2025, 5:40 am
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+1 to your irresponsibility!
You posted: The core issue is its *clarity not visibility*.
This is your take, we don't know the CEO's position and won't
know until their notes are reviewed by the authority on receipt
of your reps.
I suggest:
I hold a valid permit, see enclosed.
This has a tendency to curl at the edges at times. I try to
counter this with a holder, but if this was the reason for the
PCN then I apologise.
As a res permit holder I park in this area regularly and this is
the first time that an issue has arisen*. I hope you would use
your discretion to cancel on this occasion, but in any event a
detailed reason for my apparent failure would be appreciated.
*- if true!
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 6, 2025, 5:49 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> *- if true!
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Same OP:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/code-19-medway-council-meadowbank-resident-parking-permit-partially-displayed/
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Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: JoCo
Date: October 6, 2025, 7:24 am
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The CEO's photo clearly shows that the permit is curled over to
the extent that the top edges are overlapping.
The OP's photos, show a permit which is much less curled. The
top edges are not even touching.
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This is not just a difference of angle / perspective / parallax.
I am curious how the permit moved from, presumably, fully
visible display on parking, to curled over when the PCN was
issued, to unfurled when OP returned to car. Could the OP
explain this to a sceptical adjudicator, if it came to it?
As HCA I would be inclined to ask for discretion. An apology
with a note that you had a valid permit and unfortunately it was
partially obscured, copy attached. You have now remedied the
situation with a better quality pass holder, and you are sure it
won't happen again.
My council, Greenwich, have a policy of forgiving a first
offence for partially obscured permit. Yours may too. I have
previously benefited from an appeal on that basis*.
*In my case the council didn't cancel PCN. I appealed.
Adjudicator found in my favour that council didn't follow
policy.
#Post#: 93127--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway CC16 Meadowbank Resident Parking Permit displayed
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: October 6, 2025, 2:32 pm
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[member=2249]stamfordman[/member]
[member=428]H C Andersen[/member]
Thanks for all the input.
I'm posting a follow-up to my previous message to provide some
additional evidence that really highlights the extent of this
curling problem.
I've laid all my permits side-by-side for a direct comparison.
The attached picture shows all my Medway permits for the last 3
years - 2023, 2024, and 2025. As you can see, they are all
severely curled, forming an arch. This isn't a minor issue; it
makes them impossible to lie flat.
The other pictures are of my other permits for the last 4 years,
which are made of pure paper. They remain perfectly flat and
fully readable.
The photo of the back of the Medway permit clearly shows how the
lamination has tightened and distorted, much worse than the
front.
This side-by-side comparison proves the point conclusively. The
problem is not how I store them or the holder in which they are
displayed—it is 100% the laminated plastic backing on the
resident permits.
The lamination on the back is the root cause, which is why the
back consistently curls much more severely than the front. This
creates a tight roll that makes the permit impossible to display
flat. The curl is consistently worse on the laminated back,
proving the material itself is the cause.
When we used to have paper tax discs that were displayed on
windscreens for years, they had no curling issues because they
were fully paper.
The sun and the car temperature cause the laminate to shrink and
curl irreversibly after a few months.
This is a consistent, predictable flaw affecting every single
one of these permits issued across multiple years. The council
needs to address this poor material choice, as it is directly
leading to unfair PCNs for residents.
My Resident Permit had curled to the point of being partially
unreadable or hard to read from a distance.
Is this a predictable material flaw, and is the council at fault
for using a material unfit for its intended environment (a car
windscreen)?
By using this inferior laminated material, the council has
created a situation where a legally displayed permit becomes
non-compliant through no fault of the resident.
This feels like a design flaw that is unfairly penalizing
residents.
A valid permit should not become non-compliant due to a material
choice made by the council. The fault lies with the permit's
inability to withstand its intended environment, not with my
conduct as a permit holder.
I need your opinion or input on this specific point:
Any opinion or shared experience you can provide that supports
this "design flaw" argument will be invaluable for my appeal.
Thank you for your help.
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(Picture taken Jan 25 when permit was
less than a month one month old. Permit was nice and flat)
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