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       Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: roythebus
       Date: October 2, 2025, 2:58 pm
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  HTML https://groundtransportgroup.com/news-and-media/1671-killed-on-uk-roads-as-department-for-transport-releases-latest-road-casualty-figures/
       #Post#: 92654--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: MyronAub
       Date: October 3, 2025, 4:16 am
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       - There has been no significant reduction in UK road deaths and
       serious injuries over the past five years.
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       - Brake is calling on the Government to adopt measures that are
       known to save lives, including: Default 20 mph speed limits on
       roads in built‑up and residential areas
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       Considering that 20mph limits have been in place in Wales for
       two years now, and for longer in some parts of England, those
       statements would appear to be at odds with each other...
       #Post#: 92673--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: DrSatan
       Date: October 3, 2025, 5:46 am
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       The devil will be in the detail - if 20mph limits have saved
       (for example) 30 lives in built up areas and Larry Leadfoot has
       smashed into a bus at 135mph on the motorway killing 30 people,
       the overall numbers will be the same and the 20mph zone can save
       lives.
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       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: MyronAub
       Date: October 3, 2025, 6:05 am
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       --- Quote from: DrSatan link ---
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       > The devil will be in the detail - if 20mph limits have saved
       (for example) 30 lives in built up areas and Larry Leadfoot has
       smashed into a bus at 135mph on the motorway killing 30 people,
       the overall numbers will be the same and the 20mph zone can save
       lives.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Not if Larry Leadfoot was travelling at 135mph because he was
       tired, angry, frustrated and now late for a very important
       meeting after having to crawl at 20mph along numerous Welsh
       roads.  ;D
       #Post#: 92681--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: Boomer
       Date: October 3, 2025, 7:13 am
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       Well we can expect road accidents and deaths to plummet in
       Birmingham, as they are reducing nearly all 40mph limits down to
       30mph.
       I never knew about this until earlier today when it turns out
       that Chester Road North has been dropped to a thirty by simply
       removing the 40mph signs at the Queslett Road roundabout, and
       also disappearing the 40mph repeaters.
       Some info here
  HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c237959e8xzo
       Useful maps are at Be Heard
  HTML https://www.birminghambeheard.org.uk/bcc/speedlimit_30mph_tro/
       You would have thought that such an important change would have
       involved massive publicity and vehicle activated signs and all
       kinds of roadside warning, but i must have missed all that :(
       #Post#: 92689--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 3, 2025, 7:59 am
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       Birmingham drivers are among the worst and the city has lagged
       badly in traffic calming.
       My son is a radiologist at QEH and sees a lot of horrendous
       traffic 'accidents' - on nights last weekend these included a
       young woman he reported as brain dead and a man with a collapsed
       lung who needed immediate surgery.
       #Post#: 92694--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: mickR
       Date: October 3, 2025, 8:31 am
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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       > Birmingham drivers are among the worst and the city has lagged
       badly in traffic calming.
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       > My son is a radiologist at QEH and sees a lot of horrendous
       traffic 'accidents' - on nights last weekend these included a
       young woman he reported as brain dead and a man with a collapsed
       lung who needed immediate surgery.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       what road type were those accidents on?
       urban? rural? mway?
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       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 3, 2025, 10:02 am
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       I doubt A&E are concerned with the road type but probably get
       info on nature of accident such as speeds. There are stats on
       incidents by road collected by the police of course.
       #Post#: 92719--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: Boomer
       Date: October 3, 2025, 10:09 am
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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       > I doubt A&E are concerned with the road type but probably get
       info on nature of accident such as speeds. There are stats on
       incidents by road collected by the police of course.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       So where is the evidence of your claim that "Birmingham drivers
       are among the worst and the city has lagged badly in traffic
       calming."?
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       Re: Latest road deaths stats
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 3, 2025, 10:13 am
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       The council declared a road safety emergency last year.
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