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#Post#: 97880--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: November 12, 2025, 9:36 am
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Don't pay.
There's plenty of options remaining.
They cannot chase you as keeper and that is the end of it.
You will win this.
#Post#: 97881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: itsgif
Date: November 12, 2025, 9:43 am
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What shall I do, just wait for them to chase me / send to debt
collectors? Buying a house currently, so don't want anything
that could cause issues there.
#Post#: 97883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: Dave65
Date: November 12, 2025, 9:54 am
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Court would be a long way off, and a ccj would only be if you
lost the case or they won in default.
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Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: November 12, 2025, 10:00 am
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> Court would be a long way off, and a ccj would only be if you
lost the case or they won in default.
>
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Lost the case and didn't pay in time.
#Post#: 97886--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: roythebus
Date: November 12, 2025, 10:09 am
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No doubt you'll get debt collectors letters which become ever
more scary as the weeks go by. The advice usually given on here
is to use the paer to line your hamster cage or cat litter box,
they are meaningless. Eventually they will give up. don't worry
about bailiff threats, they can only turn up if iy oges to
court, you lose and you don't pay.
As others have said, don't pay!
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Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: November 12, 2025, 11:18 am
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--- Quote from: itsgif link ---
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> What shall I do, just wait for them to chase me / send to debt
collectors? Buying a house currently, so don't want anything
that could cause issues there.
>
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As I see it you are actually in a super strong position - I'll
explain my reasoning;
There are several parking firms who 'manage parking' within the
areas of statutory control at airports in this country. They are
all well aware of the limitations of PoFA in those circumstances
but you'd be surprised how many of those companies 'try it on'
in terms of their wording on their NtKs. Some claim that PoFA is
applicable and some claim that they still have, 'the right to
assume that the Keeper was the driver' in order to try and pass
liability onto a named individual.
What you notice with all these companies is a reluctance to
pursue Keepers all the way to a physical hearing - and there is
a very good reason for that;
In simple terms, they risk their dubious behaviour being found
out. They risk awkward cross-examination. They risk their
non-compliance with legislation being exposed. Etc etc.
In your particular case, it is clear that MET have made little
effort to establish the true area of statutory control. If you
look back at previous cases then you'll see how MET's evidence
(regarding 'relevant land') changes from time to time.
SO HOW CAN THEY ISSUE A LAWFUL NTK IF THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE
NATURE OF THE LAND WHICH THEY ARE TRYING TO MANAGE? (Sorry to
shout but it's a vital point.)
So let's imagine that they progress this to a County Court
hearing... What's going to happen when you hold them to strict
proof that the area is not under statutory control? The just
stop oil map found online by the work experience kid is not
going to cut it.
At the moment they are on a nice little earner by hoodwinking
people into thinking that PoFA applies - do you think they are
going to risk all of that over one case?
Looking at FTLA (and other parking related internet sites) it is
obvious that this is a high earning site for MET - imagine how
that would change if the true nature of the land was correctly
established?
#Post#: 97975--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stansted Airport - MET Southgate Park - Starbucks
DIR By: b789
Date: November 13, 2025, 7:28 am
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Just goes to show how utterly moronic POPLA can be. OP, why do
you think you have to take a £100 "hit" just because some
unaccountable firm that is paid by the very same operators that
you are appealing against decides their clients are right and
you are wrong? A POPLA decision is NOT binding on you. It has
not effect an anything going forwards.
A feckwit POPLA assessors decision is not a legal opinion. I can
guarantee you that should this ever reach a hearing in front of
a judge, METs map and argument would be thrown out. However, it
will NEVER get that far. I can tel you with greater than 99.9%
certainty, that this will end up as a claim and be discontinued.
However, I sense that the gullible tree is ripe with low-hanging
fruit because you obviously have no idea how a county court
claim works and are of the notion that by having a claim made
against you somehow affects your credit rating. That is exactly
how these scammers want you to continue thinking. Like lambs to
the slaughter, so many people just pay these scammers out of
ignorance and fear.
There is NOTHING in the advice we give that will affect your
credit record. Just to give you a bit of education, here is
something I wrote that explains about CCJs and the stupid and
unfounded fear of credit record and bailiffs:
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> These unregulated private parking firms and their pet debt
collectors thrive on one thing: the public’s ignorance of how
County Court claims and CCJs actually work. They know that if
they can make you believe that “a claim” or a “debt recovery”
letter somehow wrecks your credit rating, you will panic and pay
them. The gullible tree is full of low-hanging fruit, and they
make a very good living shaking it.
>
> Here is the reality, which you should read and take a “life
lesson” from...
>
> A Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private firm is not a
fine. It is just a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of
contract by the driver. At that stage, nothing touches your
credit file.
>
> If you are not successful in appealing the PCN – and appeals
are almost never successful at the initial stage and rarely at
the secondary, supposedly “independent” (but not) appeal – most
low-hanging fruit do not understand that those decisions are not
binding on them and they should never just pay. Many do,
however, because they are ignorant of the process and fearful of
imaginary consequences.
>
> If you then get “debt recovery” letters from so-called debt
collectors, those are just more speculative invoices dressed up
in scary language designed to prey on your ignorance and fear.
Debt collectors have no legal powers whatsoever to come to your
door, take goods, or report anything to credit reference
agencies. You could receive fifty of those letters and your
credit rating would be unchanged.
>
> As part of the modus operandi of these unregulated firms, the
next formal step is usually a Letter of Claim (LoC). That is
just a threat that they may start a County Court claim. Even
then, your credit record is still untouched. It is simply a
threat of legal action, not the result of it. Just more attempts
to intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into
paying out of ignorance and fear.
>
> Only if they go ahead and issue a County Court claim do you
enter the court (judicial) process. A Claim Form comes from the
court, not from a useless and powerless debt collector. Getting
a claim issued against you does not, by itself, affect your
credit rating. A claim is simply an allegation that you owe
money. You have the right to defend it. As long as you read your
post, acknowledge the claim in time, and either defend it or
settle it, your credit file remains untouched.
>
> A County Court Judgment (CCJ) only arises if the court
actually makes a judgment against you. That happens either
because you defended and were unsuccessful at a hearing, or
because you ignored the claim and the parking firm got judgment
in default. Even then, you still have a crucial safety net that
the low-hanging fruit do not realise exists. If you pay the full
judgment sum within 30 days of the date of judgment, the CCJ is
not registered on your credit file. It is expunged completely
from the record. It is as if it never happened as far as lenders
are concerned.
>
> A CCJ only appears on your credit record if you fail to pay
within that 30-day window. That is the point at which it gets
recorded and can affect your ability to obtain credit. Up to
that point, no amount of tickets, no stack of debt recovery
letters, no Letter of/Before Claim, and not even the issuing of
a County Court claim has any impact on your credit history.
>
> Bailiffs are a separate step again. They cannot simply be sent
because you have ignored an unregulated private parking invoice
or a useless debt recovery letter. Bailiffs (enforcement agents)
only become relevant after there is a CCJ and it has not been
paid.
>
> For most smaller PCN CCJs, it is not even worth the creditor’s
time and cost to instruct bailiffs, especially when the amount
is under £600 and stuck in the slower County Court enforcement
system. But the key point is this: no unpaid CCJ, no lawful
bailiff.
>
> So when people say things like “I had a debt recovery letter
so I might not get a mortgage now” or “if I defend, I will get a
CCJ,” they are simply wrong. It is precisely that ignorance and
fear that these firms trade on. They rely on ordinary motorists
incorrectly assuming that a red-letter demand automatically
means ruined credit and bailiffs at the door.
>
> There is nothing in the advice given here that will affect
your credit record. On the contrary, proper advice is what keeps
you away from CCJs. If you engage with the process, defend where
appropriate, and, in the extremely rare instance where you are
unsuccessful defending a claim, pay any judgment within 30 days,
your credit file will remain completely unaffected and no
bailiff will lawfully darken your doorstep over a private
parking charge.
>
> These companies rely on being able to intimidate the
low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of
ignorance and fear.
>
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