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       #Post#: 92533--------------------------------------------------
       Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: sperugi
       Date: October 2, 2025, 8:12 am
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       This PCN
       (
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       />was issued on my car which on a road which is in a Home Zone
       CPZ, so there is no raised delineation (kerb) between the
       highway and what is deemed to be the predominant pedestrian
       areas.The specific area where my car was parked is predominantly
       on my own land (see Land Registry picture -
  HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ezhgY6w643uaTLkz7wBpcNJoIaTMhScM/view?usp=drive_link)<br
       />and the yellow line was painted somewhat arbitrarily across
       the
       front of my land. There is also some subsequent correspondence
       where my initial online appeal has been rejected -
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       I'd like to get advice on the points below, which is where I
       would like to understand the parking regulations further.
       - The car was parked on Private land in front of my garage. As
       can be seen in the document showing the Land Registry entry for
       my property, the land in front of the garage attached to my
       property belongs to me and is where the car was parked. As this
       is not the public highway, the parking enforcement team have no
       jurisdiction in this space. Because of the existence of a Home
       Zone in our CPZ, there is no clear distinction between footpaths
       and highway and this is further complicated on those boundaries
       between private and public land. I have owned this property for
       22 years and parked many times in this same spot, and I have
       parked this specific car in this way since ownership (3 - 4
       years ago), so am somewhat baffled as to why the current parking
       enforcement company now sees it as a contravention and no longer
       acceptable.
       - Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the
       car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has
       been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked
       ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the
       wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land)
       and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions
       in question in my opinion.
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       - Yellow line not visible. A further point worth iterating - the
       yellow line is of such poor quality in this part of the road as
       to be unenforceable from my understanding.
       Further points I would like to make are that my understanding of
       parking restrictions was that they exist to ensure traffic flow,
       safety of all road users and to prevent inconsiderate road users
       from causing other problems. Parking in front of my own garage
       on my property does not really constitute a problem in any of
       these cases and in some ways keeps the minimal parking bays on
       the street for other road users that do not have access to my
       private space.
       Thanks!
       #Post#: 92540--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 2, 2025, 8:26 am
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       Upload the PCN as an image with no redactions on
  HTML https://imgbb.com
       and paste the BBcode link.
       #Post#: 92553--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: October 2, 2025, 8:53 am
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       Your links need setting to 'Public' so we can open them.
       #Post#: 92561--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: sperugi
       Date: October 2, 2025, 9:03 am
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
       >
       > Upload the PCN as an image with no redactions on
  HTML https://imgbb.com
       and paste the BBcode link.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I've updated the original post with a couple of additional
       files including the PCN itself.
       #Post#: 92563--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: sperugi
       Date: October 2, 2025, 9:03 am
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       --- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
       >
       > Your links need setting to 'Public' so we can open them.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks for pointing that out. All files should now be visible
       with the links provided.
       #Post#: 92577--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: October 2, 2025, 9:48 am
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       So here. It looks like a petty PCN in this close but the yellow
       line does control the area up to the garages as it would with a
       footway or verge.
       But why is a yellow line there anyway - it's not drawn on a
       kerbside or by the garages and seems arbitrary and only designed
       to stop you bringing the car out of the garage for a wash.
       The arguments about private land and also legitimate expectation
       seem to be the way to go.
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       #Post#: 92592--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: 666
       Date: October 2, 2025, 10:44 am
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       --- Quote from: sperugi link ---
       >
       >
       > I
       >
       [li]Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the
       car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has
       been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked
       ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the
       wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land)
       and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions
       in question in my opinion.
       >
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The position of the wheels is irrelevant. The restrictions (if
       valid, which seems unlikely) apply to any part of the vehicle.
       You can't park, for example, with the wheels inside a bay while
       the overhang takes up a chunk of the adjacent bay.
       #Post#: 92600--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: sperugi
       Date: October 2, 2025, 11:16 am
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       --- Quote from: 666 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=sperugi link=topic=8258.msg92533#msg92533
       date=1759410749]
       >
       > I
       >
       >
       - Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the
       car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has
       been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked
       ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the
       wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land)
       and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions
       in question in my opinion.
       >
       >
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       - The position of the wheels is irrelevant. The restrictions (if
       valid, which seems unlikely) apply to any part of the vehicle.
       You can't park, for example, with the wheels inside a bay while
       the overhang takes up a chunk of the adjacent bay.
       [/quote]
       Ok - I understand this for adjacent parking bays, as the
       overhang would prevent someone else from using the bay, but I'd
       always assumed that if you were parking in an end bay and the
       wheels were not on the yellow line, this would be acceptable.
       Again, this is applying a logic that maybe doesn't apply in
       these scenarios. Thanks for your comments on the validity of the
       restrictions in the first place - this seems to be the best
       option at present.
       #Post#: 92602--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
       Close, Kingston Upon Thames
   DIR By: sperugi
       Date: October 2, 2025, 11:20 am
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
       >
       > So here. It looks like a petty PCN in this close but the
       yellow line does control the area up to the garages as it would
       with a footway or verge.
       >
       > But why is a yellow line there anyway - it's not drawn on a
       kerbside or by the garages and seems arbitrary and only designed
       to stop you bringing the car out of the garage for a wash.
       >
       > The arguments about private land and also legitimate
       expectation seem to be the way to go.
       >
       >
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       >
       >
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       >
       >
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       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks for the comments. Legitimate expectation makes sense -
       especially as I've managed to park here with no issues in the
       past. Kingston did change over its parking enforcement company
       recently, so I am guessing that they have a slightly different
       view to the previous company.
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