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#Post#: 92533--------------------------------------------------
Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: sperugi
Date: October 2, 2025, 8:12 am
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This PCN
(
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zBygZ0hi_HuyhvHWlNRvIbqnuH0ho7ny/view?usp=drive_link)<br
/>was issued on my car which on a road which is in a Home Zone
CPZ, so there is no raised delineation (kerb) between the
highway and what is deemed to be the predominant pedestrian
areas.The specific area where my car was parked is predominantly
on my own land (see Land Registry picture -
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ezhgY6w643uaTLkz7wBpcNJoIaTMhScM/view?usp=drive_link)<br
/>and the yellow line was painted somewhat arbitrarily across
the
front of my land. There is also some subsequent correspondence
where my initial online appeal has been rejected -
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HnmdlVGqmjJ_33QlnATlkTfC7rVDCtjW/view?usp=drive_link
I'd like to get advice on the points below, which is where I
would like to understand the parking regulations further.
- The car was parked on Private land in front of my garage. As
can be seen in the document showing the Land Registry entry for
my property, the land in front of the garage attached to my
property belongs to me and is where the car was parked. As this
is not the public highway, the parking enforcement team have no
jurisdiction in this space. Because of the existence of a Home
Zone in our CPZ, there is no clear distinction between footpaths
and highway and this is further complicated on those boundaries
between private and public land. I have owned this property for
22 years and parked many times in this same spot, and I have
parked this specific car in this way since ownership (3 - 4
years ago), so am somewhat baffled as to why the current parking
enforcement company now sees it as a contravention and no longer
acceptable.
- Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the
car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has
been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked
ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the
wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land)
and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions
in question in my opinion.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g6WoCrYvWbenIWrMMX1Pct7hnwKweueD/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oAHuLSquZ7fQFbS7DX93bVm8V4qcGosI/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eu03UbLQnyvyYESlGAZY7_p57Ztf9NTd/view?usp=drive_link
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- Yellow line not visible. A further point worth iterating - the
yellow line is of such poor quality in this part of the road as
to be unenforceable from my understanding.
Further points I would like to make are that my understanding of
parking restrictions was that they exist to ensure traffic flow,
safety of all road users and to prevent inconsiderate road users
from causing other problems. Parking in front of my own garage
on my property does not really constitute a problem in any of
these cases and in some ways keeps the minimal parking bays on
the street for other road users that do not have access to my
private space.
Thanks!
#Post#: 92540--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 2, 2025, 8:26 am
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Upload the PCN as an image with no redactions on
HTML https://imgbb.com
and paste the BBcode link.
#Post#: 92553--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 2, 2025, 8:53 am
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Your links need setting to 'Public' so we can open them.
#Post#: 92561--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: sperugi
Date: October 2, 2025, 9:03 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> Upload the PCN as an image with no redactions on
HTML https://imgbb.com
and paste the BBcode link.
>
--- End Quote ---
I've updated the original post with a couple of additional
files including the PCN itself.
#Post#: 92563--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: sperugi
Date: October 2, 2025, 9:03 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Your links need setting to 'Public' so we can open them.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for pointing that out. All files should now be visible
with the links provided.
#Post#: 92577--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 2, 2025, 9:48 am
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So here. It looks like a petty PCN in this close but the yellow
line does control the area up to the garages as it would with a
footway or verge.
But why is a yellow line there anyway - it's not drawn on a
kerbside or by the garages and seems arbitrary and only designed
to stop you bringing the car out of the garage for a wash.
The arguments about private land and also legitimate expectation
seem to be the way to go.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/GkctSk8LmvbrsRKL9
HTML https://i.ibb.co/5g1GrJvK/Screenshot-2025-10-02-at-15-40-24.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/YFwtdDSn/Parking-01.jpg
#Post#: 92592--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: 666
Date: October 2, 2025, 10:44 am
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--- Quote from: sperugi link ---
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[li]Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the
car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has
been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked
ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the
wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land)
and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions
in question in my opinion.
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
The position of the wheels is irrelevant. The restrictions (if
valid, which seems unlikely) apply to any part of the vehicle.
You can't park, for example, with the wheels inside a bay while
the overhang takes up a chunk of the adjacent bay.
#Post#: 92600--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: sperugi
Date: October 2, 2025, 11:16 am
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--- Quote from: 666 link ---
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> [quote author=sperugi link=topic=8258.msg92533#msg92533
date=1759410749]
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> I
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- Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the
car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has
been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked
ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the
wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land)
and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions
in question in my opinion.
>
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
- The position of the wheels is irrelevant. The restrictions (if
valid, which seems unlikely) apply to any part of the vehicle.
You can't park, for example, with the wheels inside a bay while
the overhang takes up a chunk of the adjacent bay.
[/quote]
Ok - I understand this for adjacent parking bays, as the
overhang would prevent someone else from using the bay, but I'd
always assumed that if you were parking in an end bay and the
wheels were not on the yellow line, this would be acceptable.
Again, this is applying a logic that maybe doesn't apply in
these scenarios. Thanks for your comments on the validity of the
restrictions in the first place - this seems to be the best
option at present.
#Post#: 92602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston, Code 01, Parking in a restricted street, Carlisle
Close, Kingston Upon Thames
DIR By: sperugi
Date: October 2, 2025, 11:20 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> So here. It looks like a petty PCN in this close but the
yellow line does control the area up to the garages as it would
with a footway or verge.
>
> But why is a yellow line there anyway - it's not drawn on a
kerbside or by the garages and seems arbitrary and only designed
to stop you bringing the car out of the garage for a wash.
>
> The arguments about private land and also legitimate
expectation seem to be the way to go.
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/GkctSk8LmvbrsRKL9
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>
HTML https://i.ibb.co/5g1GrJvK/Screenshot-2025-10-02-at-15-40-24.png
>
>
HTML https://i.ibb.co/YFwtdDSn/Parking-01.jpg
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for the comments. Legitimate expectation makes sense -
especially as I've managed to park here with no issues in the
past. Kingston did change over its parking enforcement company
recently, so I am guessing that they have a slightly different
view to the previous company.
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