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#Post#: 98398--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: November 16, 2025, 12:32 pm
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Sorry didn’t see that you asked me a question in your response.
No they did not mention the permit at all.
Does anyone else have anything to add? I’m keen to fight this.
#Post#: 98400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: November 16, 2025, 1:18 pm
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wait for the notice to owner. This will go to the registered
keeper of the vehicle. Is this You? if not you would need their
permission to continue to make representations
#Post#: 98402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: November 16, 2025, 1:58 pm
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Yes, I am the registered keeper.
#Post#: 99949--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: November 26, 2025, 11:26 am
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Hi All,
The Notice to Owner has arrived.
I’ve not actually dealt with one of these much before, am I to
literally use the paper they sent to write a handwritten appeal?
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Thanks
#Post#: 100923--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: December 3, 2025, 1:22 pm
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Hi All,
Sorry once again not sure how to @ people.
Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated
#Post#: 100988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 4, 2025, 7:57 am
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My suggestion:
The contravention did not occur.
The basic facts of where my vehicle was parked are not in
dispute and therefore I hope the authority would not belabour
this aspect in their response.
This is a matter of law and how it applies to the council's
demand for a penalty.
In order for the council to treat this area as an off-street car
park and to demand penalties for failure to comply with its
terms and condition of use, those conditions MUST be conveyed
clearly to users. Accepted practice is to erect a board setting
out those terms and what may happen if a motorist fails to
comply. In addition, if the car park is marked then it is the
council's duty to convey to a motorist that, as you glibly wrote
in your letter dated 5 November, 'in a car park with marked
spaces or areas you [ the motorist] need to park so that your
entire vehicle is inside these lines.'
Such a requirement, assuming one exists as a provision in a
traffic order, MUST be conveyed in writing on site: it does not
exist simply because the markings are present or because
untrained officers in the enforcement authority say so. There
is no basis on which a motorist is presumed to have this
knowledge because the Traffic Signs etc. Regs and the Highway
Code apply to 'roads' as defined and not car parks.
Given that the authority failed to have regard to my previous
representations, I do not hold out an expectation that this
might change with formal representations. But I have not totally
abandoned hope that the authority will not insist on taking this
matter to adjudication at which my appeal would be allowed and
favourable consideration given to making a costs award.
The contravention (as defined under para. 2(1)(c) of Part 1 of
Schedule 7 to the Traffic Management Act 2004) did not occur
because 'any provision made by or under an order relating to the
parking place' must be conveyed adequately.
#Post#: 101000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 4, 2025, 9:03 am
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I agree with Mr Andersen.
My earlier query was actually when you were issued with the
permit did it come with instructions on use.
#Post#: 101002--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: December 4, 2025, 9:09 am
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Thanks a lot both.
But what about when they said if there are no marked spaces then
I must park as such that I am not blocking free access to
pedestrians, other vehicles, and emergency vehicles.
It’s blatantly obvious that my car wouldn’t have even blocked a
fire engine.
Should this point not be argued also.
Also regarding your question Stamfordman, no, there are no
explicit instructions given when the permit is issued, it just
permits you to park within the permit controlled zone.
#Post#: 101008--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 4, 2025, 9:47 am
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Should this point not be argued also.
IMO, no. Obstruction is subjective, so how could you argue your
opinion with any hope of success and why give them the chance to
waffle on about 'obstruction'.
#Post#: 101025--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: December 4, 2025, 11:44 am
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Okay that’s fair enough.
Can I also ask what you meant by “costs award”. Surely there’s
no costs award with these types of matters, or have I
misunderstood?
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