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#Post#: 92262--------------------------------------------------
Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location
“Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: September 30, 2025, 7:44 pm
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I live on an estate and have a valid parking permit for the
estate.
There is an area for council garages where people park when
there is no space in the main area that has marked bays. There
is a sign stating permit holders only parking past this point
which implies you can park in this area.
I have parked here for months without any issues, and so have
other people, but I received a PCN this time for being “parked
causing an obstruction”, and the location on the PCN being
stated “Outside garages”
Link to pictures of how my car was parked:
HTML https://postimg.cc/gallery/NTY5HCh
Note that there was a van to the left of me originally but it
had moved, I didn’t park there when the space to the left of me
was empty.
I was told by others I was clearly blocking the entrance, but
for 1) the area is very quiet and only cars go in and out so I
am not blocking access for any vehicles. 2) The PCN does not
state anything about being issued on the grounds of me blocking
the entrance. 3) There is no definition as to where you can and
cannot park in this area
I would really appreciate some help as to the way I can
challenge this informally at first.
#Post#: 92265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 30, 2025, 9:03 pm
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Please post up the PCN.
And please don't redact anything other than your name & address
from documents where present, including the PCN. Leave
everything else visible.
Don't use IMGUR. It doesn't work in the UK at the moment. Try
HTML https://imgbb.com/
instead. You can create a free of charge
account.
#Post#: 92281--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: October 1, 2025, 4:08 am
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HTML https://ibb.co/jkTnB34h
#Post#: 92287--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 1, 2025, 4:24 am
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I'm not sure they can enforce "obstruction" under the TMA 2004,
but somebody on here will know, I'm sure.
#Post#: 92294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 1, 2025, 5:10 am
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This is St Saviour Estate - where is this location on Google
Maps?
I doubt Southwark has signed this off-street car park with any
terms and we can see it has used an on-street permit holder sign
at the entrance as we've seen with other estates.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/CprXcgg9/s3.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/rRLJWMB5/s2.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/SbH0JP9/s1.jpg
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: October 1, 2025, 5:25 am
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Yes it is the estate you mention.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5JPKVaBZuXkeyy6D6
#Post#: 92298--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 1, 2025, 5:25 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I'm not sure they can enforce "obstruction" under the TMA
2004, but somebody on here will know, I'm sure.
>
--- End Quote ---
"92 - Parked causing an obstruction" is a contravention for
off-street car-parks.
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 1, 2025, 5:34 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=8244.msg92287#msg92287
date=1759310682]
> I'm not sure they can enforce "obstruction" under the TMA
2004, but somebody on here will know, I'm sure.
>
--- End Quote ---
"92 - Parked causing an obstruction" is a contravention for
off-street car-parks.
[/quote]
So this location has to be an off-street car park or the PCN is
void.
#Post#: 92302--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: EvaporatedMilkCoffee
Date: October 1, 2025, 5:35 am
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Does this count as off-street parking?
#Post#: 92310--------------------------------------------------
Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction”
Location “Outside Garages”
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 1, 2025, 6:13 am
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The contravention is off-street and there are no terms displayed
for the car park
Southwark fails to sign most of its estate car parks properly as
per this tribunal case from yesterday.
I'll see if I can find the order. Obstruction of the entrance
though could be serious if it prevented emergency services from
entering.
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Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
Owner.
Reasons
This PCN was issued for the alleged contravention of not being
parked correctly within the markings of a bay or space on
Kinglake Estate.
Mr xxxx appeals because he says that he is a resident on the
Estate and holds a valid resident’s permit for parking. He says
that he returned home from work to find that there were no bay
spaces. He says that he parked next to the tree where the car
was causing no obstruction. This is confirmed by the CEO’s
photographs.
Whilst the evidence shows that the car was outside of bay
markings, I am allowing this appeal because the Council has
provided no evidence of any signage warning residents that they
must park only in the marked bays and that parking outside of a
bay may result in the issue of a PCN.
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