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#Post#: 92279--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: disgruntchelt
Date: October 1, 2025, 3:50 am
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--- Quote from: 666 link ---
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>
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> OP said "offence was December 2024 and house move was in
October 2024.", so "only just moved" would be stretching the
truth a little.
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Perhaps drop the only so it’s “just moved” so the op isn’t
stretching quite so far
#Post#: 92283--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: October 1, 2025, 4:14 am
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He's either got to defend the FtP charge or he hasn't (and hope
that his "deal" will be accepted despite the guilty plea to
speeding).
If he defends it I believe he will be unsuccessful. That's for
no other reason than the truth will out (unless he wants to
commit perjury) - and that is that it was more than two months
since moving and he had not updated his V5C.
I think he needs to make this decision before approaching he
prosecutor. Hinting that he has a defence to the FtP is a bit
dangerous. The prosecutor would be quite entitled to say "let's
go to trial then" and he'd be stymied. He's in this position
because of his guilty plea to speeding and he needs to try to
remedy that error with minimum risk.
#Post#: 92299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: October 1, 2025, 5:28 am
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Logically, the guilty plea to the speeding charge would have
been entered, and the OP would have been convicted (and
sentenced) under the SJP, and the s. 172 charge would have been
remitted to a conventional court hearing. Probably.
Or the whole kit and kaboodle could have been remitted to the
conventional court hearing. Who knows.
The OP has helpfully told us that he has "been told I have a
court hearing next week". Not helpful in the sense of indicating
where the case is at (with regards to the speeding charge), but
more in the sense of determining whether or not I particularly
care.
#Post#: 92320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: October 1, 2025, 7:14 am
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--- Quote ---
> Or the whole kit and kaboodle could have been remitted to the
conventional court hearing. Who knows.
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I think that is far more likely, Andy. Court admin staff see a
"not guilty" box ticked and off it goes to the "NGAP" (Not
Guilty Anticipated Plea) court.
#Post#: 92627--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: Waqas
Date: October 2, 2025, 3:40 pm
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The court letter does not have much details on it "You are
summonsed to attend the court sitting"- its for .... Magistrate
court
I have attached the court letter link below.
HTML https://ibb.co/Kxs7176d
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Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: Waqas
Date: October 2, 2025, 3:58 pm
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Thanks for the useful discussion above.
I have a few more questions — mainly about whether I can raise
the following points in my defence/mitigation at the hearing. I
also have written proof to support each of these points below:
1. I have a history of co-operating in the past — for a previous
speeding ticket I responded straight away and attended the speed
awareness course.
2. Ongoing health issues in my family — my wife had an operation
the same month.
3. Generally a clean driving history — apart from these two
speeding matters, I have no other speeding offences in 12 years
(since got the liscense).
4. I work full time as a doctor with a very busy schedule and
often move house. I genuinely forgot to update my V5C after
moving this time, I have learnt from this and will be careful in
future .
Also, a couple of practical questions:
Can I actually read my written defence in court (rather than
relying on memory, and talking), as for sure I’ll be quite
nervous speaking?
Just to double check — once you’ve pleaded guilty to one
offence, there’s no option to change that plea later, is there?
Apologies if that’s a daft question, and apologies for my
ignorance.
#Post#: 92692--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: October 3, 2025, 8:09 am
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Shame they didn't put all the relevant information on the back
of that page...
#Post#: 92695--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: 666
Date: October 3, 2025, 8:32 am
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--- Quote from: Waqas link ---
>
> Thanks for the useful discussion above.
>
> I have a few more questions — mainly about whether I can raise
the following points in my defence/mitigation at the hearing. I
also have written proof to support each of these points below:
>
> 1. I have a history of co-operating in the past — for a
previous speeding ticket I responded straight away and attended
the speed awareness course.
>
> 2. Ongoing health issues in my family — my wife had an
operation the same month.
>
> 3. Generally a clean driving history — apart from these two
speeding matters, I have no other speeding offences in 12 years
(since got the liscense).
>
> 4. I work full time as a doctor with a very busy schedule and
often move house. I genuinely forgot to update my V5C after
moving this time, I have learnt from this and will be careful in
future .
>
> Also, a couple of practical questions:
>
> Can I actually read my written defence in court (rather than
relying on memory, and talking), as for sure I’ll be quite
nervous speaking?
>
> Just to double check — once you’ve pleaded guilty to one
offence, there’s no option to change that plea later, is there?
Apologies if that’s a daft question, and apologies for my
ignorance.
>
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1. Is no more than is expected of you.
2. Is irrelevant.
3. Is irrelevant: you're defending a "a fail to furnish", not a
driving offence
4. Very poor excuse.
Of course a bench of magistrates may take a different view, but
I doubt it.
#Post#: 92704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: Waqas
Date: October 3, 2025, 9:09 am
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So what should I say in the court?
#Post#: 92711--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next
week
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: October 3, 2025, 9:33 am
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--- Quote ---
> So what should I say in the court?
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It is my view that you do not have a viable defence to the FtP
charge.
You need to concentrate on getting the prosecutor to drop that
charge. It would be a fairly simple matter had you not already
pleaded guilty to speeding. But you are where you are.
You need to engage with the prosecutor before you are called
into court and try to negotiate as I suggested in my post on
30/9 at 4:02pm.
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