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Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next week
By: Waqas Date: September 30, 2025, 7:51 am
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Hi everyone,
I could really use some advice and guidance about a situation
I’ve found myself in.
When I moved to Leeds, I unfortunately drove at 36mph in a 30mph
zone. A Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) was sent to my old
address because I hadn’t yet updated my V5C (my mistake, I
know). By the time I updated the V5C, the next letter reached my
new address — this time it was a Single Justice Procedure Notice
(SJPN).
The SJPN listed two offences:
Failing to give driver information
Speeding (36mph in a 30mph zone)
I filled in the form and sent it back:
I pleaded not guilty to “failing to provide driver information”
because I never received the original letter.
I pleaded guilty to the speeding offence (I requested and
received the camera calibration certificate and picture, so I
accept that part).
I also included some background about my circumstances — I’m a
full-time doctor with a very busy schedule, and at the same time
my wife was undergoing treatment and had an operation. I realise
this isn’t an excuse for speeding, but I hoped they might take
my situation into account.
Now, I’ve been told I have a court hearing next week.
My questions are:
What should I expect at the hearing?
How should I present/respond when I’m there?
Has anyone else been through a similar process, and what was the
outcome?
Also, I’ll be moving house shortly after the court hearing.
What’s the correct way to update my address with the court so I
don’t miss any future correspondence?
Any guidance, experiences, or tips would be really appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
#Post#: 92168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: jfollows Date: September 30, 2025, 8:01 am
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You should plead not guilty to both offences, on the basis that
you will plead guilty to the speeding offence if the charge of
failing to give information is dropped.
Many, many similar cases documented here.
Go to court and negotiate the deal.
You don’t want to receive 6 points for failing to give
information, which may be easy to prove (basically your fault
for not updating your V5C). You “want” 3 points for the speeding
offence instead.
Pleading guilty now to the speeding offence removes your ability
to negotiate. They will say “thanks, and now for the other
charge”.
#Post#: 92195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: NewJudge Date: September 30, 2025, 10:02 am
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[quote]You should plead not guilty to both offences,...[quote]
Alas:
[quote]I pleaded not guilty to “failing to provide driver
information” because I never received the original letter.
I pleaded guilty to the speeding offence [/quote]
Unfortunately you are not really in position to undertake this
deal. Your "leverage" was to offer to plead guilty to speeding
but only on the condition that the FtP charge is dropped. You've
already pleaded guilty to speeding and - theoretically at least
- could face a penalty for that as well a trial for the FtP
charge (against which you do not have a realistic defence).
However, most courts and prosecutors treat these two offences as
alternatives and you may find that they operate it without you
asking.
Some courts are now undertaking this "deal" under the Single
Justice procedure with no attendance being necessary. Others
still require your attendance. Yours is obviously the latter.
As they require your attendance to answer he NG plea you will
have to attend and negotiate the deal as outlined above.
Your mitigation to the speeding offence is unlikely to have any
effect on sentencing.
#Post#: 92229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: disgruntchelt Date: September 30, 2025, 1:03 pm
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How long after moving was
A) the speeding offence
B) you updating the V5C
If either a was close to the speeding offence or b was close to
a you can argue that you are not guilty of FTF as it wasn’t
practical for you to do so as due the unfortunate timing of
A - you had just moved and the DVLA had yet to update the
logbook when you committed the offence
B- you were in the process of updating your logbook after a
recently moving and unfortunately the DVLA hadn’t processed it
when the offence occurred
Hopefully this defence along with the prompt guilty plea for the
speeding will put it in the “too much hassle” category for the
prosecution
#Post#: 92240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: Waqas Date: September 30, 2025, 3:38 pm
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Unfortunately offence was December 2024 and house move was in
October 2024.
#Post#: 92247--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: NewJudge Date: September 30, 2025, 4:04 pm
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What is the date of your SJPN and what is given as the date that
the "Fail to provide" offence is said to have been committed?
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Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: Waqas Date: September 30, 2025, 4:18 pm
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Date of SJPN is 17/6/2025 and "Fail to provide" offence date is
3/2/2025, original speeding offence date was 27/12/24.
Thanks everyone for the replies.
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Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: NewJudge Date: September 30, 2025, 5:11 pm
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Thanks for that.
Just making sure neither was "out of time". And they are not.
#Post#: 92275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: disgruntchelt Date: October 1, 2025, 3:08 am
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And when did you update the V5C?
I’d still be inclined to tell the prosecutor that my defence was
I’d only just moved and due to the Christmas break my V5C hadn’t
yet been updated.
You want them to drop the prosecution as you’ve plead guilty to
speeding (unless you can change your plea) and hint that you
have a defence against the FTF
#Post#: 92278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice Needed – Speeding Ticket & Court Hearing next wee
k
By: 666 Date: October 1, 2025, 3:22 am
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[quote author=disgruntchelt link=topic=8237.msg92275#msg92275
date=1759306118]
And when did you update the V5C?
I’d still be inclined to tell the prosecutor that my defence was
I’d only just moved and due to the Christmas break my V5C hadn’t
yet been updated.
You want them to drop the prosecution as you’ve plead guilty to
speeding (unless you can change your plea) and hint that you
have a defence against the FTF
[/quote]
OP said "offence was December 2024 and house move was in October
2024.", so "only just moved" would be stretching the truth a
little.
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