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TWO(!) Bus gate PCNs on Arundel Gate, Sheffield
DIR By: zen419
Date: September 28, 2025, 3:32 pm
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Hi, I'd be grateful for advice on whether there are any grounds
for me appealing Penalty Charge Notices for two alleged bus gate
contraventions on Arundel Gate in Sheffield City Centre. They
happened on successive days (19th & 20th Sept 2025).
I've attached the front pages of both, and the rear page of one
(the other is identical).
Evidently I completely missed the bus gate on the first occasion
(mea culpa). On the second occasion I didn't spot any street
signage, but did see 'Bus Gate' painted on the road -
unfortunately, too late to take action.
I can see the painted Bus Gate sign on Google Maps (Arundel Gate
northbound, near the Novotel and St Paul's Place).
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Novotel+Sheffield+Centre/@53.378994,-1.4675609,74m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!3m8!1s0x487982824d8298ab:0x23177a4912360526!5m2!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d53.3793956!4d-1.4677916!16s%2Fg%2F1tddx8w8?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Novotel+Sheffield+Centre/@53.378994,-1.4675609,74m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!3m8!1s0x487982824d8298ab:0x23177a4912360526!5m2!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d53.3793956!4d-1.4677916!16s%2Fg%2F1tddx8w8?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
However, Google Street View isn't as up-to-date, so I can't see
what street signage I may have missed. I found a thread on this
website which suggested that signage improvements were planned
in 2023, but I don't know if they happened or what they are.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/sheffield-bus-gate/msg9915/#msg9915
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/sheffield-bus-gate/msg9915/#msg9915
I guess my questions are:
1) I've received 2x "Bus Lane Penalty Charge Notices" but my
alleged offenses involved bus gates (not bus lanes). Are they
treated as the same thing? I found a June 2025 article where
someone won an appeal against Sheffield Council on exactly this
point. However, it's not clear if his success was because the
law was on his side, or because the Council failed to attend the
court hearing.
HTML https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/arundel-gate-sheffield-driver-wins-legal-challenge-over-controversial-ps2m-a-year-bus-gate-5175846
HTML https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/arundel-gate-sheffield-driver-wins-legal-challenge-over-controversial-ps2m-a-year-bus-gate-5175846
2) can anyone tell me what the post-2023 street signage looks
like? Is there any reason to believe it doesn't meet the
required standards?
3) based solely on Google Maps, I believe I had no options to
take avoiding action (turn into a side road or do a U-turn, due
to hatching) once I reached 'Bus Gate' painted on the road. Is
that grounds for appeal? I read once that offenders who only
drove a few yards past a Bus Gate sign could be cleared if they
made a genuine attempt to correct their mistake. However, this
may be an urban myth.
4) As I received 2 PCN's on successive days, can I appeal
against the 2nd on the grounds that I didn't receive timely
notice of the 1st infringement? Or is there some other 2-for-1
protocol? It seems a little unfair to be fined twice, but I
doubt the Council would agree.
I doubt it's relevant, but I was actually born in Sheffield. I
left 50 years ago, and visit very occasionally. While I know the
street layout, I find it hard to adjust to newly created
pedestrian zones, bus lanes, etc - they seem to change every
year! >:(
Btw, when I registered a new account to join this forum, my
welcome email ended up in Spam. Hopefully ftla.uk isn't being
flagged as a spam generator. Something for the admins to look
into?
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#Post#: 91886--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWO(!) Bus gate PCNs on Arundel Gate, Sheffield
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 28, 2025, 5:58 pm
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Submit representations for the two of them together, pointing
out that the first PCN was received after the date of the second
PCN. You were unaware of the bus gate until the first PCN
arrived, so consider the penalty of two PCNs is
disproportionate. Also point out that the video does not show
you passing a Bus Gate sign.
We really do need to see the actual signs to consider whether
the alleged contravention is correct or not. There is no Bus
Gate in the legislation, only Bus Lanes, so the correct
contravention could be for proceeding along a street restricted
to certain classes of traffic (or somesuch). Others on here know
the exact wording ! In fact there is a thread running on this
exact issue at the moment.
#Post#: 91998--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWO(!) Bus gate PCNs on Arundel Gate, Sheffield
DIR By: Phantomcrusader
Date: September 29, 2025, 8:33 am
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[left]They accuse you of being in a bus lane. [/left]
[left]This
HTML https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Sheffield/FD01B.pdf<br
/>is the 1991 parent order that regulates their bus lanes. Note
that the definition of bus lane refers to areas of carriageway
listed in schedule 1 and 2.[/left]
This
HTML https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Sheffield/BP-Consolidation-1991-Amd-80.pdf<br
/>order amends the 1991 parent order. Note that it adds the
Arundel Gate bus gate to schedule 3 of the 1991 parent order.
According to their own definitions, Arundel Gate bus gate is not
a �bus lane� since it is not an area of carriageway listed in
either schedule 1 or 2 of the 1991 parent order and so the
alleged contraventions did not occur.
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