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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 12:00 pm
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HTML https://imgur.com/RJ4wlBw
HTML https://imgur.com/z6weUTE
I had posted on Imgur but I think it is only showing first 3
uploads. Does this work?
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 28, 2025, 12:48 pm
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The traffic lights have the No Left Turn sign on them, so
really that would, I think tend to destroy any evidence you may
present on lack of signs, because they are signs just like any
others.
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 12:52 pm
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member] but they are no left turn onto
the Peckham road. This is a right turn onto Peckham road then a
near immediate left onto Vestsy road. My point is, having turned
left onto Peckham road, there is nothing visible telling you
that you cannot go left
Into Vestry road (as I and all the other road users have been
doing for years!)
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 28, 2025, 1:01 pm
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Agree, you correctly turn right onto Peckham Road (so not in
breach of the no left turn sign).
Once you are on Peckham Road there's no signage that I can see
which bars you from turning immediately left onto Havil Street.
What signage there is is further back on Peckham Road before you
join it.
If you can't turn onto Havil Street (left or right) from Peckham
Road, then the only way to access it is surely from Vestry Road.
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 28, 2025, 1:10 pm
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--- Quote from: LMo link ---
>
> [member=12]Incandescent[/member] but they are no left turn
onto the Peckham road. This is a right turn onto Peckham road
then a near immediate left onto Vestsy road. My point is, having
turned left onto Peckham road, there is nothing visible telling
you that you cannot go left
> Into Vestry road (as I and all the other road users have been
doing for years!)
>
--- End Quote ---
OK, got it.
And you must on a certain slam-dunk win at London Tribunal with
this case, as here are the traffic lights on Peckham Road: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/LfebgytxeyYTE4C57
yet there is no signage whatever on approach from Havill Street.
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 1:25 pm
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member] you are spot on - I thought it
was a slam dunk and I’m baffled.
@Mr chips, I will need to take more photos from the Peckham road
traffic lights. But in short you have signs ON the lights
themselves and also ahead of you by the side of Vestry road -
these are the ones you can see blocked from view as you exit
Havil road by the lamp post.
Given the lack of visible signs and the fact the only route on
this two way road is from Havil Street, I’m just utterly baffled
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 1:27 pm
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Is my challenge clear enough or do I need to tighten? I’m
conscious I have only one written escalation left and if I get
it wrong… £1,280 in collective fines!
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 28, 2025, 2:25 pm
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Don't let them fool you by claiming this signal head gives you
the information; it doesn't because it is for traffic at the
stop line on Peckham Road. You are well past the stop line on
Havill Road at the point when you might possibly notice this
signal head.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/PiXLHsEmxKXYeGN2A
The bottom line is that they have failed to provide adequate
signage of the restriction that they are obliged to do under
Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders
(Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 2:39 pm
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Thank you so much for your support and I will cite this. You can
imagine my horror with 10 of these!
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 29, 2025, 1:39 pm
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I now have the notice of rejection, and the issue is clear. They
are not acknowledging that in exiting from Havil Street I did
not drive through the light system with the sign. They attach a
photo of the sign they say is the clear indication, it precedes
Havil Street. Bizarrely they also acknowledge no signs are
visible from Havil street. I’m a bit at a loss but the stupidity
but welcome help!
HTML https://imgur.com/a/kIbEbCv
HTML https://imgur.com/a/jVfk59f
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