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Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 10:36 am
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I have driven the same route to my children’s nursery for 3
years. However, on 16th Sept I received a PCN for making a
‘prohibited’ left turn. Since then, I have received a further 10
and counting (drive the route twice a day, 4 days a week) for
the period between the PCNs starting to be charged and the date
of the first letter, for the same turn!
Firstly I am baffled. There is no new signage to denote a
change.
Secondly I do not believe the road signs to support a no left
turn PCN.
Thirdly, in a worst case I’m told I have to pay this, surely
there is something I can do to consolidate these into one (they
currently are stacking up to £1,280 for exactly the same,
unknowing offence).
Accordingly to PCN checker my first challenge has been rejected
but I’m awaiting details. I will go to tribunal and would
welcome advice on how to over turn, or worst case, ask for the
PCnS to be amalgated into one given context.
My original challenge is below. Images should be here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/S0K5yFU
HTML https://imgur.com/z6weUTE
HTML https://imgur.com/pcn3-RJ4wlBw
HTML https://imgur.com/z9ZdRfN
HTML https://imgur.com/lyrHOeJ
HTML https://imgur.com/pcn3-RJ4wlBw
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pcn-S0K5yFU
My challenge is below:
I would refer to my concurrent PCNs GX28953973, GX2909378A,
GX29237358, GX293446397, GX29305447, GX29265036. I have
contested every single one on the day received, some of which
are up to 18 days post alleged contravention.
As documented in this, as a road user leaving Havil Street,
there is no visible signage to inform drivers or cyclists they
cannot make this turn. I have several points on which to
contest:
1. Currently, the sign as you leave Havil Street makes clear you
cannot turn left onto Peckham Road. There are no other signs
visible ahead, when you are at the junction, saying you cannot
turn into Vestry Road. However, there are clear places you would
expect to see these signs, such as on the lamppost directly
ahead on the corner of Vestry Road, if this was the case. There
are no signs.
2. I would add that as you come out of Havil Street, the signs
on the Peckham road are obscured by a lamp post so, if these
signs visible for road users at the Peckham Road lights are
intended for those leaving Havil Street too, there is a clear
visibility issue and is unreasonable to expect a driver to see
these.
3. The signs for users in both directions on Peckham road are
very clear there is no entry to either Havil Street or Vestry
road. However both Havil Street and Vestry road are two way
roads clearly indicating, alongside the absence of visible
signage, that the only entry point is via either Havil Street
direct to Vestry road, or vice versa. If this is not the case
why do you not have clear no entry signs and make the streets
one way as there is no other means of entry remaining.
4. I also attach a photo from turning into Havil Street where it
makes clear no access to Southampton Way so there is precedent
for this sort of sign, only endorsing the confusion given there
is no sign of this nature entering Vestry Road.
5. I have driven this route for over three years with no issue.
Since the moment I received the first PCN I have not driven this
route as I await clarity. due to the 2 week time lag in you
sending PCNs though, you have put me in a completely unfair
position. For the subsequent weeks I have been seeking
alternative routes, every day I have seen multiple cars and
bikes, from both directions, cross from Havil Street to Vestry
road so I can only assume I am receiving these in error.
Please find photographic evidence attached.
To summarize, please find my photos showing no visible signage.
I am very upset by this situation that has come to pass after
three years, and very confused to be held accountable for an
action that is on TFL to address via clear and appropriate road
signs if it is a contravention.
Kind regards
#Post#: 91832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:04 am
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Please post up the first PCN and a list of all the others,
providing they are identical. Please leave everything visible.
Redact/obscure your name and address.
Have you had a Notice of Rejection yet for the first PCN. If so,
please post it up.
Instructions for posting documents and pictures are in the READ
THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>sticky post at the top of this forum.
What's the vehicle reg?
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:16 am
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How do I attach photos?
#Post#: 91837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:21 am
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Looking on Google streetview I'd agree there are no signs to
prohibit going across. Most likely the cameras are new and
haven't been calibrated to filter out 'left turns' originating
from the side street.
We'll need docs etc to comment in more detail.
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:21 am
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Have you read the sticky thread setting out instructions?
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:24 am
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Thanks ever so much - I am new and struggling to navigate
slightly. Where are the sticky thread instructions?
I could also provide clear evidence I was coming from Havil
Street as have nursery documents which show pick up times.
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:30 am
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--- Quote from: LMo link ---
>
> Thanks ever so much - I am new and struggling to navigate
slightly. Where are the sticky thread instructions?
>
> I could also provide clear evidence I was coming from Havil
Street as have nursery documents which show pick up times.
>
--- End Quote ---
Please see my reply #1 above. There's a link in the text to the
sticky post.
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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:41 am
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Thank you. Will work to upload. License LK19 AXV
#Post#: 91845--------------------------------------------------
Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: LMo
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:57 am
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Images here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/S0K5yFU
#Post#: 91847--------------------------------------------------
Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 28, 2025, 11:59 am
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Can you add a photo of at least one of the PCNs (all pages)?
Just redact your name and address.
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