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Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: September 26, 2025, 7:12 pm
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Hi all,
My sister took a left at a time when it was not allowed.
As you can see from the Vid she slows down to try and read the
signage, but it was too late...
Is she bang to rights?
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Re: Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 27, 2025, 3:51 pm
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> Is she bang to rights?
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Not necessarily.
When councils impose a traffic restriction they have a duty
under Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders
(Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 to place
adequate signage informing motorists of the restriction. I see
the PCN shows your wife's car making a left-hand turn. Appeals
have been won on signage where there is no advance warning, and
the sign is only visible until the vehicle is committed to the
turn.
A look at the video shows two signs positioned excessively high,
ridiculously high in my opinion. Somewhere within The Traffic
Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, it states the
height at which regulatorty signs should be mounted. Here they
look so wildly ridiculous as to beggar belief in the sanity of
council officials in charge of sign placement. Here is the
location: -
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GSV is not up-to-date here, but does show the height of the old
regulatory signs. However, look on the video of the alleged
contravention and compare the height of the new signs with the
old direction arrow signs. The height is just absurd, and if it
were me, I'd be taking them to London Tribunals for not placing
adequate signage. I would say they are so high as to be
virtually unreadable bu a motorist sitting in a car.
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Re: Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: September 29, 2025, 12:31 pm
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I agree with you - I mean, as a motorist, you wouldn't have the
time to read the signage, let alone it being in a place where
you cant read it & especially with other cars behind you to make
that split decision...
So, do the councils want you to stop while in your car in the
middle of the road, or are you supposed to know that there is a
pedestrian zone beforehand?
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Re: Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 29, 2025, 1:55 pm
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> So, do the councils want you to stop while in your car in the
middle of the road, or are you supposed to know that there is a
pedestrian zone beforehand?
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No, of course not.
What if you were an aunt living in Aberdeen who had driven down
to see her cousin ? The signs must be adequate and here they
aren't, but councils get away with stuff like this, because
people are terrified of losing at adjudication, and having to
pay the full penalty. Councils know this, so refuse virtually
all representations. Yes, they are scammers. Essentially they
rob by Act of Parliament.
The only thing we don't know is whether there is an advance
warning sign of the restriction. If there is the signs argument
has less power. But with GSV being out-of-date here, you need to
go down the relevant street and look for one and let us know. If
there is one, take a photo of it and post it here.
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Re: Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: September 29, 2025, 2:30 pm
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Thank you - I'll get my Sister to go and have a look, to see if
there were any advance warnings
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Re: Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: October 1, 2025, 11:18 am
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So my sister went back to the road in question and she confirms
there were signs on the road...
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Re: Took a prohibited left turn in Redbridge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 1, 2025, 12:46 pm
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Your first photo beautifully shows the absurd height of the
restriction signs, with the bottom of the sign being well above
above the top of the 20mph sign. This is not the first time we
have seen these restriction signs being placed so high, so I you
do submit representations I would make this a major issue. They
would then be forced to explain the raison d'etre for the
height.
Obviously the advance sign weakens any case you might make on
inadequacy of signage.
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