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9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: mrbluejay Date: September 26, 2025, 9:24 am
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Hi All,
I've received 2 NIP's for alledged offences withion 5 days of
each other from the same camera :
36mph in a 30mph zone
37mph in a 30mph zone
I already have 9 points :
Exceeding Speed on a Motorway (SP50) - Offence Date Nov 2024
Exceeding Speed on a Public Road (SP30)- Offence Date May 2024
Exceeding Speed on a Motorway (SP50)- Offence Date Apr 2024
I need my licence for my job, do around 40k miles a year across
the country.
So I guess a couple of questions...
Do I need a solicitor?
How likely is it for me to avoid a ban?
For background, I've driven for over 30 years and up until this
last year or so, never had more than 3 points on my licence.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: 666 Date: September 26, 2025, 10:12 am
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Unless you have a successful defence to one or both of the
current offences (which you haven't suggested), you will get six
points, bringing you to 15.. A minimum 6-month ban is mandatory,
unless you can convince the court that it would cause
exceptional hardship.
Note the word "exceptional". Loss of employment is not
exceptional.
The guidelines for the courts are here
HTML https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/driving-disqualification/#header_3<br
/>(Paragraphs 33 to 38.)
A solicitor may not be necessary, if you are confident and have
prepared a good case.
Others will provide more detailed advice, and can comment on any
hardship you may suggest..
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: NewJudge Date: September 26, 2025, 10:57 am
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Hopefully you've now read he Magistrates' guidance (especially
para. 36) which they refer to when hearing an "Exceptional
Hardship" argument.
If so, what hardship will you suffer that is exceptional?
#Post#: 91906--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: mrbluejay Date: September 29, 2025, 3:00 am
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Thanks for the replies.
I need to look in to the dates, my Wife could have been driving
as it was around that time that she was waiting on her new car,
but as I say I need to check.
In terms of exceptional hardship...
Loss of job.
I am in considerable debt that the job allows me to service,
however without it I may need to go bankrupt or similar - Need
to look into this.
My recently widowed Mother-in-law is cared for by my Wife, not
in a full time capacity but she needs to visit her most evenings
to organise medication etc. Her job means so overnight travel,
so where that does happen I provide that care and there is no
other reliable alternative.
My teenage Granddaughter is an Athlete who competes on a
national level, I am the only family member who can driver her
to her pre & post school sessions, without which she would have
to stop competing.
I'm of an age where being re-employed from a unemployed basis,
may not attract the same kind of salary, so the chance of me
being able to service the debt I mention previously could be a
non-starter even if I do obtain future employment.
Hopefully this adds some colour to my enquire.
Thanks Again.
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: BertB Date: September 29, 2025, 3:42 am
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On the off chance that your wife is responsible for only one of
these, have you done a speed awareness course in the last 3
years?
Have you asked for images 'to assist in identifying the driver'?
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: mrbluejay Date: September 29, 2025, 3:45 am
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[quote author=BertB link=topic=8191.msg91910#msg91910
date=1759135345]
On the off chance that your wife is responsible for only one of
these, have you done a speed awareness course in the last 3
years?
Have you asked for images 'to assist in identifying the driver'?
[/quote]
Thanks for replying. I've not asked for images as yet.
I attended an awareness course in October '23.
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: mrbluejay Date: October 3, 2025, 4:58 am
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I've recieved the images for both alleged offences. All 4
photos for each face the rear of the car, so do not asisit in
identifying the driver.
I forgot to add to the potential mitigation above, that I am a
volunteer listener & leader for the Samaritans and would have to
end this if I was disqualified - Does anyone have a view on
whether all of the mitigation would prevent a ban?
#Post#: 92684--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: andy_foster Date: October 3, 2025, 7:34 am
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Not presenting an exceptional hardship argument will result in a
6 month ban.
Presenting one might reduce or avoid a ban. Or it might not.
#Post#: 92688--------------------------------------------------
Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: FuzzyDuck Date: October 3, 2025, 7:55 am
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[quote author=mrbluejay link=topic=8191.msg92667#msg92667
date=1759485498]
I've recieved the images for both alleged offences. All 4
photos for each face the rear of the car, so do not asisit in
identifying the driver
[/quote]
Is there any doubt who the driver is? The photographs are only
intended to identify the vehicle.
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
By: mrbluejay Date: October 8, 2025, 3:19 am
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[quote author=FuzzyDuck link=topic=8191.msg92688#msg92688
date=1759496153]
[quote author=mrbluejay link=topic=8191.msg92667#msg92667
date=1759485498]
I've recieved the images for both alleged offences. All 4
photos for each face the rear of the car, so do not asisit in
identifying the driver
[/quote]
Is there any doubt who the driver is? The photographs are only
intended to identify the vehicle.
[/quote]
Potentially yes, genuinely could be my Wife on one of them.
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