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Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 27, 2025, 3:26 pm
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The recipient of the postal PCN need not be the driver "on the
day". So the keeper as per the V5C can say he wasn't the driver,
but it seems the car was, (or a car with his registration). So
once it has been determined that the keeper getting ready for
his holidays had the car within his sight and the keys to drive
it were in his possession, then it could be a cloning of the
numberplate. If this is the car, the cloning is a criminal
offence and a crime has been committed, so the owner needs to
contact the police. But do this only when all other avenues have
been investigated and turned up nothing.
Of course, your friend may be under the impression that as he
wasn't the driver they can do nothing, but this is not so. The
legislation and regulations that go back to 1991, place
responsibility for decriminalised motoring offences onto the
owner of the vehicle, and this is assumed the keeper on the V5.
#Post#: 92432--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: October 1, 2025, 3:18 pm
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I took a picture of the car number plate. It looks similar
writing but the screws are in different position than the ones
in the picture? Or is it just me imagining things?
HTML https://ibb.co/Q36wZ9PL
imgur does not work in UK since 30th September :(
#Post#: 92433--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: RichardW
Date: October 1, 2025, 3:24 pm
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The one from the PCN clearly has screws at the end of the plate
whereas your pic doesn't - looks like a clone. Need to report it
(although someone else here had trouble getting a crime number
out of them). Expect more PCNs....
#Post#: 92451--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 1, 2025, 6:19 pm
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--- Quote from: RichardW link ---
>
> The one from the PCN clearly has screws at the end of the
plate whereas your pic doesn't - looks like a clone. Need to
report it (although someone else here had trouble getting a
crime number out of them). Expect more PCNs....
>
--- End Quote ---
+1
Definitely a clone, as the council photo of the numberplate
clearly shows the two mounting screws at the end of the
numberplate whereas your friend's car has the mounting screws
much further in.
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Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 2, 2025, 12:03 am
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--- Quote from: RichardW link ---
>
> The one from the PCN clearly has screws at the end of the
plate whereas your pic doesn't - looks like a clone. Need to
report it (although someone else here had trouble getting a
crime number out of them). Expect more PCNs....
>
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You need to report the cloning to the Police and get a crime
reference number. If the Police give you the run-around then try
HTML https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
. That's what a another
recent poster had to do
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/car-reg-got-cloned-met-won-t-issue-crime-reference-number-lambeth-council-won-t-/msg89696/#msg89696.
You also need to inform the DVLA, try phoning 0300-790 6802 as
I'm not sure you can report online, who will put a marker on the
VRM. The DVLA will want the crime reference number. Then prepare
to be stopped by the Police yourself as their ANPR will flag up
your car as a possible clone.
The fraudsters will likely look for another VRM to clone after a
couple of weeks, to avoid being stopped by the Police.
The differing screw positions suggest that the clone is not the
exact same model as yours. Take some close-up reference photos
of your car. All sides of the car.
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Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: October 2, 2025, 1:40 am
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Thank you very much, I will ask the friend to get the ball
rolling. Will ask him to get the police crime reference number,
also contact DVLA, I assume as it is the hire purchase car, the
finance company needs to be informed too? As the hire companny
is the vehicle owner would they not need to contact dvla?
Also, once they get the crime reference, contact the council
with the numberplate pictures (also small writing underneath
registration), but I have feeling the council will not be very
supportive and this may go all the way to adjudicators?
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Re: PCN received but driver is adamant he was never there
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 2, 2025, 4:10 am
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As the hire companny is the vehicle owner would they not need to
contact dvla?
The finance company are not the vehicle owner (as in title)
because they did not purchase the car from A N Other on 8
August(my previous post refers). Neither are they a 'hire
company'. But don't let your friend get distracted by this.
Notify them anyway, what's to lose?
Also, once they get the crime reference, contact the council
with the numberplate pictures (also small writing underneath
registration), but I have feeling the council will not be very
supportive and this may go all the way to adjudicators?
There's every likelihood. In his 2023-2024 Annual Report the
Chief Adjudicator wrote that in the absence of clear guidance
from government adjudicators were likely to continue to have to
deal with appeals on this point(see page 16:
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Annual%20report%20202324.pdf)
Pl reinstate all imgur links as they're no longer accessible.
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