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#Post#: 91925--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 29, 2025, 4:46 am
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> Sorry for nagging guys but time marches on. Could someone
please check my revised appeal text? TIA
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Well, it looks OK to me, but bear in mind they will inevitably
reject it, because they just want your money, and know from
experience that almost all people just cough-up when reps are
rejected. You'll have to take them to London Tribunals where it
is virtually certain you will win.
#Post#: 91934--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 29, 2025, 5:19 am
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Ok, I am prepared to take this all the way, if you guys are ok
to support me?
#Post#: 91950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 29, 2025, 5:42 am
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Are you going for trivial timing or sign not visible. You can't
really do both in full but with clever wording you could get
both in.
#Post#: 92010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: September 29, 2025, 9:21 am
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Do not argue the approx one minute De minimis it is doubtful
even the tribunal would accept that given the video as you did
not leave the bus lane straight away the sign and the timing
issues are the two you need to use to create a better foundation
to put strong arguments to the tribunal later on
#Post#: 92156--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 30, 2025, 6:59 am
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Ok, this is what I ended up submitting:
I am writing to formally appeal the PCN issued.
According to the evidence, I left a bus lane at 16:00:54, while
the bus lane was active at 16:00. Given the very narrow time
difference of just 54 seconds, I believe it is unreasonable to
expect my vehicle's clock, which is not synchronised with an
atomic clock, to be perfectly precise.
In addition I attach a photograph showing the bus lane time
signage. The photo was taken by me on 25.09.2025, standing in
the road to emulate the view from a car. The photo was taken at
chest height, although the viewpoint for a driver would be much
lower. Due to the angle of the sign, it is very difficult to
read from the drivers seat. It would appear that the sign has
been hit by a high vehicle and now is at an angle from the road
view. I would say that this sign does not meet regulations for
highway signs because.
1. Regulation 10 of TSRGD 2016 states that traffic signs must be
placed such that they are visible to drivers and arranged at an
appropriate angle to ensure they can be seen clearly and read
easily.
2. Schedule 13 of the TSRGD specifies the different types of
signs, including bus lane signs, and emphasises that these signs
should be positioned in advance of the lane or road restriction,
at a location and angle that provides maximum visibility to
approaching drivers. Guidance and best practices usually
recommend signs be mounted at an angle that makes them easily
visible to drivers approaching from a distance, typically around
30-45 degrees relative to the direction of travel
3. The overarching legal requirement is that signs must be
placed so that they are clearly visible and readable, which
involves appropriate height, placement, and angle — mandated by
Regulation 10 of the TSRGD 2016 and supplemented by best
practices and guidance from the Department for Transport (DfT).
I would also say that the white line separating the bus lane is
very faded and damp conditions made this even harder to see.
Specifically, Schedule 2 Part 1 of the TSRGD 2016 covers this
and says that markings should be clear and easy for motorists to
see. That was not the case here.
Due to the three reasons above (timing, signage and faded white
lane), I kindly request that the charge be reviewed and
dismissed as it cannot reasonably be subject to enforcement
#Post#: 92251--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 30, 2025, 4:24 pm
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This isn't right.
What is the story - why was your son in the bus lane?
#Post#: 92395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: October 1, 2025, 11:26 am
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1. His clock led him to believe that it was before 4pm.
2. The sign was not legible.
#Post#: 92399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 1, 2025, 11:41 am
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If the sign wasn't readable where did he get 4pm from?
#Post#: 92403--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: October 1, 2025, 11:55 am
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When he exited the bus lane, there was a sign up ahead.
Additionally, bus lanes in that area are typically 4-7.
#Post#: 92469--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 2, 2025, 2:27 am
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Most of the images are inaccessible for me. All 34j tickets are
beatable because of the law and if you get decent help. ;D
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