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#Post#: 91352--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 24, 2025, 1:39 pm
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First draft; thoughts gang?
I am writing to formally appeal the PCN issued.
According to the evidence, I left a bus lane at 16:00:54, while
the bus lane was active at 16:00. Given the very narrow time
difference of just seconds, I believe this case falls within the
de minimis threshold. It is unreasonable to expect my vehicle's
clock, which is not synchronised with an atomic clock, to be
perfectly precise.
Considering this minor discrepancy, I kindly request that the
charge be reviewed and dismissed on the basis that this is a
negligible timing difference that cannot reasonably be subject
to enforcement.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration. I look
forward to your response.
#Post#: 91354--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 24, 2025, 2:00 pm
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Remember, the rep must be from yr son as registered keeper.
Wait for others to comment but do not miss deadline.
#Post#: 91362--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 24, 2025, 2:49 pm
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Unless my eyes deceived me, a PCN with location Balgores Rd RM2
was posted previously. (Balgores Rd is hardly a combination it
would be possible to pick at random!)
If not, Specsavers beckons.
#Post#: 91366--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 24, 2025, 3:32 pm
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All 34j tickets are beatable.
#Post#: 91370--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 24, 2025, 4:05 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Unless my eyes deceived me, a PCN with location Balgores Rd
RM2 was posted previously. (Balgores Rd is hardly a combination
it would be possible to pick at random!)
>
> If not, Specsavers beckons.
>
--- End Quote ---
Would you prefer 1 or 2pm for your visit?! Not sure where
Balgores Road comes in?
#Post#: 91376--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 24, 2025, 4:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> All 34j tickets are beatable.
>
--- End Quote ---
Great! How?
#Post#: 91402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: September 25, 2025, 3:53 am
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Do not send your draft.
The PCN alleges a contravention at 16.00 but at 16.00 your car
was not to be seen. The video starts at 16.00.45 sec so at 16.00
the CEO had no reason to believe a contravention had occurred
which they must have in order to issue a PCN
The de minimis argument can be second but to be honest both
arguments are more roe the tribunal as the council will not
entertain them
#Post#: 91433--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 25, 2025, 6:22 am
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I had a suspicion about the bus timing sign so I popped back
today. I would say the sign is at an angle that makes it almost
impossible for a driver to see.
Can someone help me with a draft please? Thanks
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#Post#: 91532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 25, 2025, 1:33 pm
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V2 draft, thoughts please?
I am writing to formally appeal the PCN issued.
According to the evidence, I left a bus lane at 16:00:54, while
the bus lane was active at 16:00. Given the very narrow time
difference of just 54 seconds, I believe this case falls within
the de minimis threshold. It is unreasonable to expect my
vehicle's clock, which is not synchronised with an atomic clock,
to be perfectly precise.
Considering this minor discrepancy, I kindly request that the
charge be reviewed and dismissed on the basis that this is a
negligible timing difference that cannot reasonably be subject
to enforcement.
In addition I attach a photograph showing the bus lane time
signage. The photo was taken today, 25.09.2025 by me, standing
in the road to emulate the view from a car. The photo was taken
at chest height, although the viewpoint for a driver would be
much lower. Due to the angle of the sign, it is very difficult
to read from the drivers seat. I would say that this sign does
not meet regulations for highway signs.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration. I look
forward to your response.
#Post#: 91907--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
DIR By: JulianV
Date: September 29, 2025, 3:07 am
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Sorry for nagging guys but time marches on. Could someone please
check my revised appeal text? TIA
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