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CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: seanman
Date: September 18, 2025, 7:44 am
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CPM - UK sent this pcn through post, link below. Just went in
and out as it was a road traffic jam and couldnt do a three
point turn. I thought it was for parking tickets but could see
within a min I exited okay. Read number of hot topics on this
forum about CPM, thought to share my penality and see if any
help I can get to challenge this fine, please?
PCN through post
HTML https://ibb.co/nsbXmTkh
HTML https://ibb.co/FbX9ZSvc
PCN online + Images
HTML https://ibb.co/xKgjPzNz
HTML https://ibb.co/20cy7yH7
Location
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dw5srSfdvsSbcfqMA4d-0.1056859!16s%2Fg%2F11cssw1yjy!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: jfollows
Date: September 18, 2025, 7:52 am
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It’s not a fine, it’s a stupid and unenforceable invoice for
payment on the basis that you drove onto the land, agreed to the
terms and conditions on the signs, and parked, then left again
all within one minute.
There’s probably a formal appeal but, personally, I’d be telling
them to stop being stupid and there’s no chance you’ll be paying
them a penny, and that they’re a bunch of incompetent
money-grabbing fools.
If I send you an invoice for spending an hour doing your
gardening whereas in fact I spent one minute removing a weed,
you wouldn’t call it a fine, you’d tell me to get lost, wouldn’t
you?
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: seanman
Date: September 18, 2025, 7:55 am
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Thanks for your quick input. I was reading this;
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/weavers-quarter-barking-cpm/
Should I follow any proceedure or just ignore them?
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: seanman
Date: September 18, 2025, 8:02 am
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It’s not a fine, it’s a stupid and unenforceable invoice for
payment on the basis that you drove onto the land, agreed to the
terms and conditions on ths signs, and parked, then left again
all within one minute.
There’s probably a formal appeal but, personally, I’d be telling
them to stop being stupid and there’s no chance you’ll be paying
them a penny, and that they’re a bunch of incompetent
money-grabbing fools.
--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
>
> If I send you an invoice for spending an hour doing your
gardening whereas in fact I spent one minute removing a weed,
you wouldn’t call it a fine, you’d tell me to get lost, wouldn’t
you?
>
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Of course I wont pay but they got my details through dvla
though, so more likely they dispatch balliffs for recovery.
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: jfollows
Date: September 18, 2025, 8:07 am
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No, they will not “dispatch baliffs”. They have no ability to do
this, any more than I would.
If you want to engage politely then I suggest writing to say
that you assume their invoice was issued in error and that you
expect them to withdraw it and inform you.
They are not allowed to issue parking notices for periods of one
minute.
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: disgruntchelt
Date: September 18, 2025, 8:29 am
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Step 1.
Do not admit to being the driver
Step 2.
Complete the scammers online appeal as the keeper only (ensuring
not to tick any boxes saying you were the driver, selecting any
options that hint you were the driver and don’t disclose their
name) saying the driver entered the car park, saw there terms
and declined the offer of a contract so left.
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
DIR By: b789
Date: September 18, 2025, 8:50 am
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Make them jump through their stupid hoops and cost them some
money. Personally, I would also refer them to the answer given
in Arkell v Pressdram (1971)
HTML https://prunescape.fandom.com/wiki/The_Reply_Given_in_Arkell_v_Pressdram_(1971).
Here what I advise you to appeal with to UKCPM:
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> Dear Sirs,
>
> I write in response to your recent postal PCN alleging that my
vehicle was “not registered (ANPR)” and therefore somehow liable
for a charge. The ANPR timestamp shows a duration of precisely
one minute. I appreciate your commitment to fiction, but let’s
return to the realm of law.
>
> Let me be clear: no contract was formed. I did not park, I did
not stop voluntarily, and I did not engage in any conduct that
could remotely be construed as accepting contractual terms. I
entered the site due to a road traffic jam and exited as soon as
physically possible. Your camera clocked one minute. That’s not
a stay—it’s a transit.
>
> If you wish to persist with this nonsense, I invite you to
provide evidence that the vehicle was stationary for longer than
the minimum consideration period required for a contract to be
formed. Spoiler alert: you can’t. Because it wasn’t.
>
> Your allegation is not only legally incoherent, it’s
procedurally embarrassing. You’ve confused presence with
acceptance, and movement with parking. If this is the standard
of your enforcement logic, I fear for the cognitive wellbeing of
your compliance department.
>
> Should you be so intellectually malnourished as to reject this
appeal, I will submit a formal IAS appeal—not because I expect
fairness, but purely to force you to pay for adjudication.
Consider it a tax on stupidity.
>
> And finally, should you still be tempted to press on, I refer
you to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971). You’ll
find it refreshingly concise.
>
> Yours faithfully,
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