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#Post#: 90911--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: John_S
Date: September 22, 2025, 5:34 am
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Neither the main ‘no motor vehicles’ signs nor the blue
background information signs in your video comply with the
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD).
That’s assuming LB Merton haven’t obtained special authorisation
for them in the last 7 days or so. The legend “Except authorised
vehicles” is not a permitted variant. TSRGD Schedule 3, Part 2,
Item 12 refers.
This should squash the PCN if you get the right adjudicator at
appeal stage, but LB Merton will almost certainly reject
representations on this point. Hope this helps.
#Post#: 90961--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: loady
Date: September 22, 2025, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: John_S link ---
>
> Neither the main ‘no motor vehicles’ signs nor the blue
background information signs in your video comply with the
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD).
That’s assuming LB Merton haven’t obtained special authorisation
for them in the last 7 days or so. The legend “Except authorised
vehicles” is not a permitted variant. TSRGD Schedule 3, Part 2,
Item 12 refers.
>
> This should squash the PCN if you get the right adjudicator at
appeal stage, but LB Merton will almost certainly reject
representations on this point. Hope this helps.
>
--- End Quote ---
Very helpful thank you, i am aware they will always 'round
robin' refuse appeals, i always take them to the full extent
when it is clear that there are gorund against them, i make a
formal rep asking to recind and mention the fact that the signs
do not comply with TSRGD and see what comes back, would anyone
be able to assist with templates if they do refuse it and i get
the NTO ?
Thank you
#Post#: 91261--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: loady
Date: September 24, 2025, 7:03 am
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Going to go in with this...
--- Quote ---
> I write to formally challenge the above PCN.
>
> The PCN alleges “failure to comply with a prohibition on
certain types of vehicle.” However, I submit that the
restriction has not been lawfully conveyed to motorists for the
following reasons:
>
> Non-compliant signage
>
> The “No Motor Vehicles” signs at the location do not comply
with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
(TSRGD).
>
> TSRGD Schedule 3, Part 2, Item 12 specifies permitted
variants, and the wording “Except authorised vehicles” is not
among them. Unless Merton Council has obtained special
authorisation from the Department for Transport (which I doubt
given the recent installation), the signage is unlawful and
cannot give rise to a penalty charge.
>
> In addition, the accompanying blue information signs in place
also appear non-compliant with TSRGD.
>
> Inadequate and unclear visibility
>
> As a driver approaching the location, one must negotiate the
long-standing width restriction. The newly added prohibition
signs are not visible until a driver is committed to passing
through the width restriction. At that moment, the driver’s full
attention is on safely manoeuvring through the narrow gap, not
scanning for new signage.
>
> The continuing presence of the physical width restriction
reinforces the impression that motor vehicles are still
permitted, as was the case historically. This creates a
misleading and confusing situation for motorists.
>
> Good faith and genuine mistake
>
> I have not driven through this area for some time, and on this
occasion traffic congestion in surrounding roads led me
inadvertently to the restriction.
>
> I understand and respect the Council’s aims in reducing
traffic under the Low Traffic Neighbourhood scheme, and I will
not use this road again now that I am aware of the change.
>
> Given the above, I respectfully request that the PCN be
cancelled. If the Council wishes to continue enforcement, it
must first demonstrate either that the signs are TSRGD-compliant
or that specific DfT authorisation has been obtained.
>
> In any event, I believe cancellation is appropriate here due
to the inadequate signage, the misleading road layout, and the
genuine nature of this first contravention.
>
> Yours faithfully,
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 91266--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: loady
Date: September 24, 2025, 7:12 am
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OMG.... this is like Ebay, character limit of 1000, what in gods
name do they want ??
#Post#: 91270--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: loady
Date: September 24, 2025, 7:17 am
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This is pretty much all they will allow me to say, guess ill
have to get the big guns out when they refuse the appeal.
I wish to explain the circumstances of this alleged
contravention. I have not driven through this area for some time
and, due to heavy congestion on surrounding roads, I
inadvertently entered the new Low Traffic Neighbourhood
restriction. I had previously used this road as a cut-through.
The long-standing width restriction remains in place and the new
“No Motor Vehicles” signs are not obvious when approaching
around the corner. At that point, a driver’s attention is on
safely navigating the width restriction rather than looking for
additional signage. This gives the impression that access is
still permitted. I understand and support the Council’s aims in
reducing traffic, but in this case I believe the signage is
inadequate. Now that I am aware of the change, I will avoid the
road in future. This was a genuine mistake, and I respectfully
request that the Council exercise its discretion to cancel the
PCN.
#Post#: 91306--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 24, 2025, 9:46 am
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Do Merton not allow you to e-mail reps or add attachment to your
online submission?
#Post#: 91405--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: loady
Date: September 25, 2025, 4:24 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> Do Merton not allow you to e-mail reps or add attachment to
your online submission?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, so i truncated it in the comments and then sent the full
one on a word doc
#Post#: 94592--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: John_S
Date: October 18, 2025, 6:35 am
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4 enforcement camera posts in the vicinity of High Path were cut
down on 14/15 October including the one used in this case. This
shows the strength of feeling against Merton Council’s (lax)
approach to traffic management.
#Post#: 95479--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: GnnK
Date: October 24, 2025, 2:54 pm
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Hi loady
I received a PCN for exactly the same contravention on 10/10/25.
Have you made a representation and was it accepted or rejected.
Any information would be helpful.
Thank you
#Post#: 95488--------------------------------------------------
Re: MERON NEW LTN - ABBEY ROAD JW HIGH PATH
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 24, 2025, 5:39 pm
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--- Quote from: GnnK link ---
>
> Hi loady
>
> I received a PCN for exactly the same contravention on
10/10/25. Have you made a representation and was it accepted or
rejected. Any information would be helpful.
> Thank you
>
--- End Quote ---
If you want advice on your PCN, start your own thread. OK to
keep reading this one, but sometimes we don't hear back from
OPS.
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