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#Post#: 90358--------------------------------------------------
Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: September 17, 2025, 5:55 am
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My Fiancé recently recently visited her mother's old address
Neighbour, who gave her a Notice To Keeper Reminder Notification
PCN Letter, they had received.
Her Parents have not lived at the address since November 2024.
The Date of Breach on the letter shows 24th July 2025.
The Driver, according to the PCN, had exceeded the maximum stay
period captured by ANPR.
First of all, are there any grounds for an appeal here and
secondly, due to her not receiving the original PCN, do we have
any grounds for initialising the original Notice To Keeper PCN,
for which the discounted amount would be Liable, as we hadn't
received anything up until this point of contact.
Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated.
#Post#: 90362--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: RichardW
Date: September 17, 2025, 6:36 am
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First thing to do is get the V5C out and check what address is
on it. I imagine you will find it is out of date...
#Post#: 90390--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: September 17, 2025, 9:57 am
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Yes, annoyingly, it is still on the V5C. The car was financed by
my fiancé's mother, so is in her name and was just missed
unfortunately. Does this allow anything options for appeal, or
are we better, just taking the £85 hit?
Thanks
#Post#: 90392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: RichardW
Date: September 17, 2025, 10:18 am
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Do you have the original PCN rather than just the reminder?
#Post#: 90395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: September 17, 2025, 11:04 am
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No, only the reminder letter provided in the previous post.
#Post#: 90410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: b789
Date: September 17, 2025, 12:15 pm
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Forget the mugs discount. You should appeal and request a copy
of the original NtK and put them to strict proof of posting it.
Any initial appeal will be rejected anyway. Once the appeal is
rejected, you will receive a POPLA code which is valid for 33
days from the date of the appeal rejection.
Appeal, ONLY as the Keeper. We do not know whether the original
NtK was PoFA compliant and there is always a problem with
Horizon's signs.
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
If the original NtK is not compliant with all the requirements
of PoFA, that means if the unknown driver is not identified,
they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown
driver to the known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your ‘parking
charge’. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
>
> No original Notice to Keeper (NtK) was ever received; the
first and only document received was a ‘Reminder’. The
presumption of delivery in PoFA 2012, Sch 4, para 9(6) is
rebutted. If you contend that an NtK was posted, you are put to
strict proof of the date of posting (not merely the date of
document generation), by producing your postal manifest or
third-party Mail Consolidator handover data. See the Private
Parking Single Code of Practice v1.1, section 8.1.2(e) Note 2:
“Therefore, parking operators must retain a record of the date
of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been
generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator
actually put it in the postal system.)”
>
> Unless and until you provide a copy of the original NtK
together with strict proof of posting as above, you cannot rely
on PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 to transfer liability to the keeper.
There will be no admission as to who was driving and no
inference or assumptions can be drawn. Horizon has relied on
contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
Horizon have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both
a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
You MUST also send a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) to the
Horizon DPO at dp@horizonparking.co.uk and CC yourself. The DRN
must instruct them to update their records with your current
address for service and to erase any other address. The
highlighted words are there for a reason, so make sure you use
them.
#Post#: 90413--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: September 17, 2025, 12:27 pm
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Thank you so much, as always. I will use the above details and
let you know the next stages.
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Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: September 17, 2025, 12:43 pm
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Sorry b789.
Am I okay Filing the appeal under my own name, as I am only the
Fiance, or should I file the appeal under the Named Notice To
Keeper, who is my Fiancé's Mother?
Thanks
#Post#: 90430--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: b789
Date: September 17, 2025, 1:27 pm
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This must all be done in the name of the Keeper. You can do all
the work but you cannot say "on behalf of". All electronic
documents/emails etc can be signed by simply typing the full
name of the person who is the named keeper.
#Post#: 90468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Horizon Notice To Keeper Reminder PCN sent to Old Address
DIR By: Kbonner
Date: September 18, 2025, 3:43 am
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Thanks for your help.
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