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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: February 15, 2026, 9:18 am
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I've just received the evidence pack from tfl, and they are
strenuously defending this case.
Before I go ahead and post their case summary on here, I'm just
checking this is allowed and I'm not doing anything wrong?
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 15, 2026, 10:10 am
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The case summary is essential.
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: February 15, 2026, 10:54 am
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> The case summary is essential.
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 15, 2026, 1:12 pm
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I can't help thinking that they have written that huge tome to
try to pull the wool over the adjudicator's eyes because their
case is weak.
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: February 24, 2026, 7:22 am
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Hearing is tomorrow. I've never done this before. What can I
expect, and any tips to help me win this?
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: February 24, 2026, 5:30 pm
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It will almost certainly just be you and the adjudicator, it's
really rare for anyone from the Council to turn up, doubly so
since the adjudicator is likely to ask them some embarrassing
questions about the irrelevant 50cm nonsense.
Don't expect the adjudicator to want to hear everything you have
to say, they are quite likely to stop the proceedings once they
decide you have a winning argument.
I think the quickest route would be to start by asking the
Adjudicator if the council are allowed to change their mind
about which offence they issued the PCN for. The answer to this
is of course, no. You'll probably get half way into pointing out
that they changed their mind from Red Route to 50cm before the
adjudicator makes their mind up to write some rather choice
words about the Council while ruling in your favour.
In the unlikely event that the adjudicator wants to discuss you
being more than 50cm from the edge of the carriageway, don't
panic, you're actually in a situation where you could admit you
were guilty of that and not be in in any danger of paying a fine
for it, because there's a time limit on making accusations and
it's too late for the Council (or the adjudicator) to go there
(among other reasons). The line to take is that you would have
considered your options if you were issued a PCN for that, but
that's not what happened. You're here to dispute the PCN you did
receive, not a theoretical one that the Council might have
issued.
In the even more unlikely event that that approach doesn't win
the case for you, move on to asking the adjudicator if the
Council are required to consider your representations? If so,
does a whole load of irrelevant waffle about being 50cm fomr the
edge of the carriageway prove that they did so? The answer to
these questions are going to be "yes" and "no".
In the unlikely event that the adjudicator has still not ruled
in your favour at this point, move on to your initial argument
about this location not being signposted as a red route, and ask
if the Council are allowed to withhold evidence about this until
the Evidence Pack stage, despite you asking for it at the first
opportunity.
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: February 24, 2026, 5:36 pm
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--- Quote from: Grant Urismo link ---
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> It will almost certainly just be you and the adjudicator, it's
really rare for anyone from the Council to turn up, doubly so
since the adjudicator is likely to ask them some embarrassing
questions about the irrelevant 50cm nonsense.
>
> Don't expect the adjudicator to want to hear everything you
have to say, they are quite likely to stop the proceedings once
they decide you have a winning argument.
>
> I think the quickest route would be to start by asking the
Adjudicator if the council are allowed to change their mind
about which offence they issued the PCN for. The answer to this
is of course, no.
>
> If the adjudicator wants to discuss you being more than 50cm
from the edge of the carriageway, don't panic, you're actually
in a situation where you could admit you did that and not be in
in any danger, because there's a time limit on making
accusations and it's too late for the Council (or the
adjudicator) to go there. The line to take is that you would
have considered your options if you were issued a PCN for that,
but that's not what happened. You're here to dispute the PCN you
did receive, not a theoretical one that the Council might have
issued but can't now as it's too late.
>
> If that approach doesn't win the case for you, move on to
asking the adjudicator if the Council are required to consider
your representations, and if so, does a whole load of waffle
about 50cm prove that they did so. The answer to these questions
are going to be "yes" and "no".
>
> In the unlikely event that the adjudicator has still not ruled
in your favour at this point, move on to your intitial point
about this not being signposted as a red route, and ask if the
Council are allowed to withhold evidence about this until the
Evidence Pack stage, despite you asking for it at the first
opportunity.
>
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Thank you very much for your reply and clear guidance! Really
appreciated!
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Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: February 26, 2026, 4:18 am
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Appeal was allowed! Thank you all for your help on here!
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