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       #Post#: 109866--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: Londoner
       Date: February 15, 2026, 9:18 am
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       I've just received the evidence pack from tfl, and they are
       strenuously defending this case.
       Before I go ahead and post their case summary on here, I'm just
       checking this is allowed and I'm not doing anything wrong?
       #Post#: 109870--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: February 15, 2026, 10:10 am
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       The case summary is essential.
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       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: Londoner
       Date: February 15, 2026, 10:54 am
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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       > The case summary is essential.
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       #Post#: 109889--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: February 15, 2026, 1:12 pm
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       I can't help thinking that they have written that huge tome to
       try to pull the wool over the adjudicator's eyes because their
       case is weak.
       #Post#: 110931--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: Londoner
       Date: February 24, 2026, 7:22 am
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       Hearing is tomorrow. I've never done this before. What can I
       expect, and any tips to help me win this?
       #Post#: 111048--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: Grant Urismo
       Date: February 24, 2026, 5:30 pm
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       It will almost certainly just be you and the adjudicator, it's
       really rare for anyone from the Council to turn up, doubly so
       since the adjudicator is likely to ask them some embarrassing
       questions about the irrelevant 50cm nonsense.
       Don't expect the adjudicator to want to hear everything you have
       to say, they are quite likely to stop the proceedings once they
       decide you have a winning argument.
       I think the quickest route would be to start by asking the
       Adjudicator if the council are allowed to change their mind
       about which offence they issued the PCN for. The answer to this
       is of course, no. You'll probably get half way into pointing out
       that they changed their mind from Red Route to 50cm before the
       adjudicator makes their mind up to write some rather choice
       words about the Council while ruling in your favour.
       In the unlikely event that  the adjudicator wants to discuss you
       being more than 50cm from the edge of the carriageway, don't
       panic, you're actually in a situation where you could admit you
       were guilty of that and not be in in any danger of paying a fine
       for it, because there's a time limit on making accusations and
       it's too late for the Council (or the adjudicator) to go there
       (among other reasons). The line to take is that you would have
       considered your options if you were issued a PCN for that, but
       that's not what happened. You're here to dispute the PCN you did
       receive, not a theoretical one that the Council might have
       issued.
       In the even more unlikely event that that approach doesn't win
       the case for you, move on to asking the adjudicator if the
       Council are required to consider your representations? If so,
       does a whole load of irrelevant waffle about being 50cm fomr the
       edge of the carriageway prove that they did so? The answer to
       these questions are going to be "yes" and "no".
       In the unlikely event that the adjudicator has still not ruled
       in your favour at this point, move on to your initial argument
       about this location not being signposted as a red route, and ask
       if the Council are allowed to withhold evidence about this until
       the Evidence Pack stage, despite you asking for it at the first
       opportunity.
       #Post#: 111049--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: Londoner
       Date: February 24, 2026, 5:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: Grant Urismo link ---
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       > It will almost certainly just be you and the adjudicator, it's
       really rare for anyone from the Council to turn up, doubly so
       since the adjudicator is likely to ask them some embarrassing
       questions about the irrelevant 50cm nonsense.
       >
       > Don't expect the adjudicator to want to hear everything you
       have to say, they are quite likely to stop the proceedings once
       they decide you have a winning argument.
       >
       > I think the quickest route would be to start by asking the
       Adjudicator if the council are allowed to change their mind
       about which offence they issued the PCN for. The answer to this
       is of course, no.
       >
       > If the adjudicator wants to discuss you being more than 50cm
       from the edge of the carriageway, don't panic, you're actually
       in a situation where you could admit you did that and not be in
       in any danger, because there's a time limit on making
       accusations and it's too late for the Council (or the
       adjudicator) to go there. The line to take is that you would
       have considered your options if you were issued a PCN for that,
       but that's not what happened. You're here to dispute the PCN you
       did receive, not a theoretical one that the Council might have
       issued but can't now as it's too late.
       >
       > If that approach doesn't win the case for you, move on to
       asking the adjudicator if the Council are required to consider
       your representations, and if so, does a whole load of waffle
       about 50cm prove that they did so. The answer to these questions
       are going to be "yes" and "no".
       >
       > In the unlikely event that the adjudicator has still not ruled
       in your favour at this point, move on to your intitial point
       about this not being signposted as a red route, and ask if the
       Council are allowed to withhold evidence about this until the
       Evidence Pack stage, despite you asking for it at the first
       opportunity.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you very much for your reply and clear guidance! Really
       appreciated!
       #Post#: 111194--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
   DIR By: Londoner
       Date: February 26, 2026, 4:18 am
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       Appeal was allowed! Thank you all for your help on here!
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