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#Post#: 94350--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: October 16, 2025, 10:39 am
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I intend to appeal to London Tribunal with the following
reasons:
A. The owed amount in the NoR; whether it is discounted or not,
is confusing - similar to the succesfull appeals in cases
2220767288, 2230535074, and 2240018512.
Based on what I've read in case 2230535074 I am a bit onfused
and unsure whether this argument is still relevant, and would
really appreciate some guidance on this.
B. In their NoR TfL failed to consider my representations and
only repeated their allegations against me.
C. TfL were in breach of section 76(3) of the Traffic Management
Act 2004 - namely that the PCN was issued by a PCSO in Met
Police uniform and not in TfL uniform as required.
My quetion is do I have to prove this with evidence (I have
dashcam footage) and if so how do I include this in my appeal,
being as I'm having to submit it by post?
I am relatively new to this and have never before submitted an
appeal to London Tribunal, so would really appreciate any
guidance/advice offered.
#Post#: 94354--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 16, 2025, 10:59 am
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I've submitted formal reps to TfL....
..where are they?
S76(3). Who advised including this?
Anyway, you're home and dry.
Read the NOR. Don't read what you think it says, read what it
actually says.
#Post#: 94357--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: October 16, 2025, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> I've submitted formal reps to TfL....
>
> ..where are they?
>
> S76(3). Who advised including this?
>
> Anyway, you're home and dry.
>
> Read the NOR. Don't read what you think it says, read what it
actually says.
>
--- End Quote ---
This was my reps
--- Quote ---
> I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur. I also do not accept that the CEO
had started to prepare the PCN before the vehicle was driven
away from the location where it was seen. Furthermore, the
authority is in breach of section 76(3) of the Traffic
Management Act 2004, that is a procedural impropriety which
means the penalty charge must be cancelled in any event.
>
> Yours faithfully,
--- End Quote ---
S76(3) - advised via PM by a forum member.
By "home and dry" do you mean I'm on the right track? I'm sorry,
I'm new to this, have done a lot of reading up, to try minimise
the burden of the kind forum members on here.
#Post#: 94388--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 16, 2025, 2:17 pm
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Read the NOR.
#Post#: 94392--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: October 16, 2025, 2:23 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Read the NOR.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have read it and re-read it.
I don't mean to be ignorant but I'm still no more enlightened
than before. My questions remain.
#Post#: 94393--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: roythebus
Date: October 16, 2025, 2:26 pm
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There's no photographic evidence of the signage provided by TfL.
a possible "win" when it goes to Tribunal.
#Post#: 94394--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 16, 2025, 2:34 pm
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'We issued your PCN because your vehicle was ...........'
Whereas the actual PCN states...............!
#Post#: 94396--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: October 16, 2025, 2:49 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> 'We issued your PCN because your vehicle was ...........'
>
> Whereas the actual PCN states...............!
>
--- End Quote ---
Oh now I get it! (Thank you!!) I thought it was odd they
mentioned this 50cm nonsense but I'd initially dismissed it,
assuming it was just their way of referring to the fact I wasn't
parked in the adjacent bay.
So do I appeal based on this reason alone, or should I still
mention the other reasons?
(I assume the reason for appeal would now be "contravention did
not occur"?)
#Post#: 95165--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: Londoner
Date: October 22, 2025, 9:22 am
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Hearing date set for February 25th.
#Post#: 95201--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Red Route PCN - Weak/No Evidence?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 22, 2025, 11:50 am
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When the time comes, I suggest you introduce the subject in a
different manner.
Perhaps...
As the adjudicator will notice, my detailed formal reps were
against the contravention of ****** and therefore I was
completely nonplussed by their Notice of Rejection which states
that they are rejecting my representations and upholding the
contravention of ******.
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