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Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 16, 2025, 3:53 pm
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We need the whole PCN please.
#Post#: 90378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
DIR By: Phantomcrusader
Date: September 17, 2025, 8:17 am
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[left]Manchester’s bus lane TRO’s
HTML https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/manchester/
seem to
define a bus lane as being bounded by a thick white line but
there is no thick white line present. If the bus lane TRO you
allegedly contravened uses the same definition, the argument is
that the PCN must be cancelled as there is no bus lane in that
location as defined by the TRO.[/left]
[left] [/left]
I’m guessing that the bus gate is indicated by a round blue sign
with a picture of a bus. If so, the sign conveys that the route
is restricted for use by buses. Contravening this sign is,
according to Govt guidance
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6294ddfa8fa8f5039a1bd695/annex-a-traffic-signs-subject-to-moving-traffic_enforcement.pdf,<br
/>a moving traffic contravention and not a bus lane
contravention.
Therefore the appropriate contravention description is Code 33 -
Using a route restricted to certain vehicles.
#Post#: 90903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
DIR By: Lee74
Date: September 22, 2025, 4:33 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> We need the whole PCN please.
>
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Hi Apologies I fell ill, Cant seem to modify my post. so
attached them below.
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Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
DIR By: Lee74
Date: September 22, 2025, 4:34 am
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--- Quote from: Phantomcrusader link ---
>
> [left]Manchester’s bus lane TRO’s
HTML https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/manchester/
seem to
define a bus lane as being bounded by a thick white line but
there is no thick white line present. If the bus lane TRO you
allegedly contravened uses the same definition, the argument is
that the PCN must be cancelled as there is no bus lane in that
location as defined by the TRO.[/left]
> I’m guessing that the bus gate is indicated by a round blue
sign with a picture of a bus. If so, the sign conveys that the
route is restricted for use by buses. Contravening this sign is,
according to Govt guidance
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6294ddfa8fa8f5039a1bd695/annex-a-traffic-signs-subject-to-moving-traffic_enforcement.pdf,<br
/>a moving traffic contravention and not a bus lane
contravention.
Therefore the appropriate contravention description is Code 33 -
Using a route restricted to certain vehicles.
>
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Thanks, How do i get the TRO to check ?
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Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
DIR By: Lee74
Date: September 27, 2025, 8:21 am
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Im presuming I'm out of luck with this one?
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Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
DIR By: Phantomcrusader
Date: September 27, 2025, 8:53 pm
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[left]No not at all. Give this a go. [/left]
[left]The alleged contravention did not occur. Having viewed
Manchester Council’s bus lane TRO’s that are published on the
Traffic Penalty Tribunal website such as TRO reference MC262B,
it is evident that Manchester Council define a bus lane as an
area of carriageway having a thick white line to diagram 1049 of
the TSRGD. The area of carriageway my vehicle occupied in your
camera recording is not an area of carriageway that has a thick
white line to diagram 1049. Consequently, my vehicle was not in
a bus lane according to the definition your TRO’s use.[/left]
[left]Furthermore, the placed round blue traffic sign to diagram
953 of the TSRGD is a traffic sign that restricts a route to
certain vehicles. The Statutory Guidance for Local Authorities
Outside London on Civil Enforcement of Bus Lane and Moving
Traffic Contraventions issued by the Secretary by State for
Transport does under Annex A advise that this sign is a traffic
sign conveying a moving traffic contravention and therefore it
is not a sign subject to a bus lane contravention. In which case
the Council has used the wrong contravention description. The
correct description for contravening the sign is code 33 "using
a route restricted to certain vehicles"[/left]
[left]The penalty charge should be cancelled because my vehicle
was not in a bus lane as defined by your TRO. If this is not
accepted, the penalty charge should be cancelled because the
signage used conveys a moving traffic contravention and not a
bus lane contravention as demonstrated by the aforementioned
Annex A and therefore the wrong contravention description is
stated on the PCN.[/left]
Should the Council not agree with these two points of law, I
require the Council to give full reasoning for any rejection
with counter arguments directing me to the law that the Council
rely upon for their rejection.
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