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#Post#: 90132--------------------------------------------------
Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without valid
pay & display ticket
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:13 am
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Good day,
I have been issued with a PCN from Richmond Council for
contravention code 06P (parking without a valid pay and display
ticket). I stopped at the pharmacy to buy medicine for my son
who had a high temperature, I saw the CEO as I parked and he
said its ok to stop but I should not take longer than 5 mins in
the pharmacy. Unfortunately the card machine in the pharmacy was
not working hence I had to go and draw out cash from the ATM,
the whole process took exactly 6 mins and when I returned to my
car I was shocked to see a PCN had been issued. I am quite angry
at the CEO as I feel he acted in a deceitful way and actually
intended to issue a PCN all along.
The PCN mentions that the CEO observed my vehicle from 09:39 to
09:45 yet the timestamp on the photo does not show this?
Is there any grounds for appeal here from the attached PCN and
photo evidence?
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Many thanks,
#Post#: 90141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:47 am
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Where is this on Google Maps.
#Post#: 90143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:53 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Where is this on Google Maps.
>
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Rbv74FQqz5DuKabXA
#Post#: 90147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 16, 2025, 5:00 am
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I am quite angry at the CEO as I feel he acted in a deceitful
way and actually intended to issue a PCN all along.
Why? According to you he gave you conditional permission to park
where you would otherwise not have been permitted unless you
paid, but you did not comply with those conditions.
What has getting money from an ATM got to do with your son's
condition or your parking, you weren't paying to park anyway(not
that you'd have needed cash).
There are some free parking provisions for residents of
Richmond, do you qualify?
HTML https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/parking/parking_machines/parking_machine_guide
IMO, it's the wrong contravention: display is optional if
there's a RingGo alternative. It should be failure to pay the
parking charge.
#Post#: 90150--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: September 16, 2025, 5:21 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> I am quite angry at the CEO as I feel he acted in a deceitful
way and actually intended to issue a PCN all along.
>
> Why? According to you he gave you conditional permission to
park where you would otherwise not have been permitted unless
you paid, but you did not comply with those conditions.
>
> What has getting money from an ATM got to do with your son's
condition or your parking, you weren't paying to park anyway(not
that you'd have needed cash).
>
> There are some free parking provisions for residents of
Richmond, do you qualify?
>
>
HTML https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/parking/parking_machines/parking_machine_guide
>
--- End Quote ---
What I am saying is that having to get cash from the ATM meant I
ended up taking longer than anticipated and hence overstayed the
5 minutes offered by the CEO. Unfortunately I am not a resident
Richmond so I do not qualify :(
I notice none of the parking signs mention paying via Ringo,
however, on the pay and display machine there is the option to
pay via Ringo?
#Post#: 90156--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 16, 2025, 5:42 am
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You getting cash is not something you can visit on the CEO as
you must surely realise. I'd forget this.
Was the sequence of events that you parked, went straight to the
pharmacy, got the medicine and then went via an ATM machine
before returning to the car and that this took longer than the
CEO had specified.
Was your son with you?
IMO, you should focus on what seems to be a clear the procedural
error.
#Post#: 90157--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: September 16, 2025, 5:48 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> You getting cash is not something you can visit on the CEO as
you must surely realise. I'd forget this.
>
> Was the sequence of events that you parked, went straight to
the pharmacy, got the medicine and then went via an ATM machine
before returning to the car and that this took longer than the
CEO had specified.
>
> Was your son with you?
>
> IMO, you should focus on what seems to be a clear the
procedural error.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes that is the correct sequence of events. OK I will draft some
kind of appeal based on the procedural error, just to clarify
none of the parking signs mention pay by phone and only mention
pay at machine display ticket so this is still a procedural
error, correct?
#Post#: 90209--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 16, 2025, 9:52 am
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Two errors IMO:
The sign is incorrect;
The contravention is incorrect.
I would start with your account, the CEO's conditional
permission and that for reasons beyond your control it took you
longer to get back to the car than agreed with the CEO*. In this
regard, you therefore parked without permission or having
obtained parking rights. On which point, I would draw the
authority's attention to the following:
The traffic sign in evidence states: Pay at machine. Display
ticket.
The machine accepts payment and advises that parking rights may
be obtained via RingGo, which is also confirmed on the council's
website.
The alleged contravention is that of failing to display a
ticket, NOT failure to pay.
It therefore follows that:
The traffic sign in evidence is incorrect because display of a
ticket is not an obligation; and
The contravention is wrong for the same reasons.
Either constitutes a statutory and therefore the PCN must be
cancelled. If the council wants to enforce this bay then they
must amend the traffic sign and use a mandated contravention
description.
#Post#: 90217--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: September 16, 2025, 10:50 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Two errors IMO:
>
> The sign is incorrect;
> The contravention is incorrect.
>
> I would start with your account, the CEO's conditional
permission and that for reasons beyond your control it took you
longer to get back to the car than agreed with the CEO*. In this
regard, you therefore parked without permission or having
obtained parking rights. On which point, I would draw the
authority's attention to the following:
>
> The traffic sign in evidence states: Pay at machine. Display
ticket.
> The machine accepts payment and advises that parking rights
may be obtained via RingGo, which is also confirmed on the
council's website.
> The alleged contravention is that of failing to display a
ticket, NOT failure to pay.
>
> It therefore follows that:
>
> The traffic sign in evidence is incorrect because display of a
ticket is not an obligation; and
> The contravention is wrong for the same reasons.
>
> Either constitutes a statutory and therefore the PCN must be
cancelled. If the council wants to enforce this bay then they
must amend the traffic sign and use a mandated contravention
description.
>
--- End Quote ---
Many thanks for your help with this, however, the PCN does
mention contravention code 06P - Parked without clearly
displaying a valid pay & display ticket or voucher?
#Post#: 90239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Council - PCN Contravention 06P - Parked without
valid pay & display ticket
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 16, 2025, 12:21 pm
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Exactly and it MAY NOT.
How could it be a contravention for not doing something which is
OPTIONAL i.e. you could EITHER pay and display OR pay via
RingGo?
Answer: IMO, it isn't.
I think I've set this out as clearly as I can.
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