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#Post#: 90073--------------------------------------------------
Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: sjcuk7
Date: September 15, 2025, 1:10 pm
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Hi there, received on Saturday 13th Sept this PCN for a
contravention on the 2nd Sept.
Travelling along Hartswood Road and turning right into Cobbold
Road I entered the restricted zone at 1 minute past the 8am
start time.
I was using this route to circumnavigate the roadworks at the
roundabout junction of Askew Road and Goldhawk Road, and and the
awful tailback into Goldhawk Road.
I don't usually have to bypass my usual route but the jam was
particularly bad that morining and was making me late for work.
I used my car Sat Nav map for a detour, turned left onto
Stamford Brook Road and approached Cobbold road travelling north
on Hartswood Road.
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The PCN states I have 28 days to pay £160 and also a 14 day
period to pay the reduced amount of £80, however the images
submitted were from an unmanned permanent static camera, does
this constitute a CCTV one? Can I argue that their notice should
offer 21 days as a reduced period and is therefore invalid?
Granted I may have misunderstood what is and isn't a CCTV one,
but I can't see that this is a different form of camera as it's
not live.
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Finally I need to check the approach from Hartswood Road for any
warning signage, I'll post back with anything I find, I doubt
there isn't any - If there isn't do I have a good case on that
alone?
Streetmap link -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/eV6zmPvNf3teyv3K9
EDIT: I vividly recall noticing the huge pencils marking the
crossing point as I came up to the junction, in fact I'd go as
far as to say they were where my eyes were directed when
checking the direction of traffic, rather than the highly
mounted signs.
#Post#: 90074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pede
DIR By: sjcuk7
Date: September 15, 2025, 1:11 pm
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I have posted my i.imgur links but for some reason this forum
wasn't resolving them in my post
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#Post#: 90106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 15, 2025, 5:32 pm
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The photos on your PCN are frames from a video taken by their
CCTV camera. You should be able to view this video on their
website using PCN Number and car reg.
GSV is not sufficiently up-to-date, because the GSV link you
posted is for August 2024, and doesnt show the restriction
signs, therefore no advance sign. If you want to submit
representations, you need to do some legwork with a camera to
see if there are any advance signs on the road you used,
Hartswood Road. Another aspect is that the time of the alleged
contravention is only 1 minute after the restriction start time,
so you could argue that whilst the council camera is no doubt
synchronised with an atomic clock somewhere, such technology is
not present on most motor car clocks, so you consider the one
minute to fall within the grounds of de minimis, and ask the
council to use some common sense when serving PCNs based on
times.
#Post#: 90194--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: sjcuk7
Date: September 16, 2025, 8:31 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The photos on your PCN are frames from a video taken by their
CCTV camera. You should be able to view this video on their
website using PCN Number and car reg.
> GSV is not sufficiently up-to-date, because the GSV link you
posted is for August 2024, and doesnt show the restriction
signs, therefore no advance sign. If you want to submit
representations, you need to do some legwork with a camera to
see if there are any advance signs on the road you used,
Hartswood Road.
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for all your advice. I've been back and taken pictures of
Cobbold Road's pre-warning signs and the lack of any in
Hartswood Road.
HTML https://imgur.com/gcAv278
HTML https://imgur.com/igp7ENM
I've further checked the wording on all the signs, which
indicate a restriction from Sept-July, from 8am - 9.30am and
2.30pm - 4pm. Clearly the restriction's intended purpose to to
prevent traffic during school drop off and collection times, the
location given on the PCN even states "Wendell Park School -
Cobbold Rd"
On the date of my contravention, 2nd September there was no
school, they had an inset day and term didn't commence until the
day after on the 3rd.
HTML https://www.wendellpark.lbhf.sch.uk/News___Events/Term-Dates-25102021143445/<br
/>
HTML https://imgur.com/h3kYwZj
#Post#: 90214--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 16, 2025, 10:37 am
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OK, so the council have clearly recognised that advance warning
is necessesary by providing an advance warning on the approach
to the restriction, but have ignored the more important need for
people turning right from Hartswood road. So I suggest your reps
make two points, (1) PCN time of one minute into the restriction
is ridiculous because vehicle clocks are not totally accurate,
and some allowance should be made for that. APplication of
common sense by those issuing PCNs is needed. and (2) No advance
warning sign for vehicles turning right from Hartwood Road, yet
the council provide advance warning on Cobbold Road, where the
signs are visible from much further away. Mention council duty
under LATOR Regulation 18, to provide adequate signs of
restrictions.
#Post#: 94426--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: almep13
Date: October 16, 2025, 5:46 pm
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Hi,
Have you received a response on your appeal? Although judging by
how long it took LBHF to reject my appeal, just over 60 days
(appealed on 08 July and it was rejected on 08 Oct), I doubt
you'd have received a response yet. But if you have, I'd be keen
to know their response.
Kind regards,
Almep13
#Post#: 106849--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: sjcuk7
Date: January 21, 2026, 1:31 pm
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Hi there,
No I HAVEN'T recieved a response yet. As it has been over four
months now since I lodged my appeal I wrongly assumed the case
had been closed. Astonishingly, according to their website, it's
still very much OPEN !!!!
#Post#: 106859--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: almep13
Date: January 21, 2026, 3:05 pm
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Hi sjcuk7,
Thanks for your reply.
My case is at London Tribunals scheduled for a video-hearing in
March 2026.
Let's keep one-another updated with the outcomes of our appeals.
Thanks and regards,
Almep13
#Post#: 106870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: sjcuk7
Date: January 21, 2026, 3:38 pm
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Best of luck.
If I'm right my case should have expired as it was served by
post, making it a Notice to Owner and requiring my appeal to be
responded to within 56 days, unless I've misunderstood
somewhere.
#Post#: 106883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham - code 53C Failing to comply with a
restriction on vehicles entering a pedestri
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 21, 2026, 4:45 pm
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--- Quote from: sjcuk7 link ---
>
> Best of luck.
>
> If I'm right my case should have expired as it was served by
post, making it a Notice to Owner and requiring my appeal to be
responded to within 56 days, unless I've misunderstood
somewhere.
>
--- End Quote ---
I see no PCN has been posted yet, so please do so. Look at the
legislation at the top of the PCN. the 56 day limit to reply to
formal reps against a Notice to Owner only applies to the
Traffic Management Act 2004. However, the council also have a
duty of fairness, so getting on for 5 months means the
unfairness test is met, in my opinion. You should win on this
alone if you take them to London Tribunals.
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