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#Post#: 89870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 14, 2025, 6:02 am
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[quote author=JustLoveCars link=topic=8045.msg89867#msg89867
date=1757844406]
[quote author=chippyshell link=topic=8045.msg89842#msg89842
date=1757810828]
Historically on this road there has been a sign on both sides.
It used to be a 40 but im guessing they remove the sign on the
right when the speed changed?
[/quote]
I suspect it's a repeater? If it was a terminal sign then both
should be there.
Can you post the exact location? (Station Road is too generic)
[/quote]
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZiBbjXqpkdhkwknj6
This isn't a restricted road neither.
#Post#: 89888--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: NewJudge Date: September 14, 2025, 9:12 am
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[quote]I suspect it's a repeater?[/quote]
It isn't a repeater. On the reverse side of that sign is an NSL
roundel, signifying that the 30mph limit begins there.
I have to say that from the current GSV image (June '25) that
sign is scarcely visible until you are almost on it. A second
sign on the opposite side of the road (where there is no
foliage) would be recommended, I would think. Unless the foliage
had been cut back in the summer, it must have worsened by now.
But the issue is what was its condition in April?
I take it that you have ruled out a defence on the unreliability
of the device (because of he distance)?
This seems a bit strange:
[quote]...the officer even said when he stopped me that he has
to assume that i would have been speeding because it wasn't
clear if i was in the 30 or not. [/quote]
That seems to suggest he was not sure whether you had committed
an offence or not. Is that really what he said?
#Post#: 89897--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 14, 2025, 10:03 am
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[quote author=NewJudge link=topic=8045.msg89888#msg89888
date=1757859133]
[quote]I suspect it's a repeater?[/quote]
It isn't a repeater. On the reverse side of that sign is an NSL
roundel, signifying that the 30mph limit begins there.
I have to say that from the current GSV image (June '25) that
sign is scarcely visible until you are almost on it. A second
sign on the opposite side of the road (where there is no
foliage) would be recommended, I would think. Unless the foliage
had been cut back in the summer, it must have worsened by now.
But the issue is what was its condition in April?
I take it that you have ruled out a defence on the unreliability
of the device (because of he distance)?
This seems a bit strange:
...the officer even said when he stopped me that he has to
assume that i would have been speeding because it wasn't clear
if i was in the 30 or not.
That seems to suggest he was not sure whether you had committed
an offence or not. Is that really what he said?
[/quote]
Yes i have ruled that out as a defense, i think originally i was
trying to work out if where he was parked was 185 meters away,
so if he has seen X speed at that distance was i at sign or
before? ie in the NSL. It doesn't specifically say like how far
i was.
Yes that is what he said, his statement is abit iffy it just
says "the sign was 185 meters away from the enforcement site, so
i was confident the car was within the 30mph zone" this is where
my whole distance thing came from.
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Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: JustLoveCars Date: September 14, 2025, 10:04 am
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[quote author=NewJudge link=topic=8045.msg89888#msg89888
date=1757859133]
[quote]I suspect it's a repeater?[/quote]
It isn't a repeater. On the reverse side of that sign is an NSL
roundel, signifying that the 30mph limit begins there.
[/quote]
Yeah, so it is... That's really poorly signed.
If GSV is correct then it's not a restricted road and there's no
30mph repeaters.
Approaching from the other direction does have twin terminal
30mph signs.
If the single 30mph was covered in foliage as well then there
could be an argument about the signage.
#Post#: 89899--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 14, 2025, 10:07 am
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[quote author=JustLoveCars link=topic=8045.msg89898#msg89898
date=1757862249]
[quote author=NewJudge link=topic=8045.msg89888#msg89888
date=1757859133]
[quote]I suspect it's a repeater?[/quote]
It isn't a repeater. On the reverse side of that sign is an NSL
roundel, signifying that the 30mph limit begins there.
[/quote]
Yeah, so it is... That's really poorly signed.
If GSV is correct then it's not a restricted road and there's no
30mph repeaters.
Approaching from the other direction does have twin terminal
30mph signs.
If the single 30mph was covered in foliage as well then there
could be an argument about the signage.
[/quote]
If you look at the previous years, dont know if this has any
substance but it has twin terminal signs for 40mph, one has been
removed or not replaced when 30mph was implemented
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Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: ManxTom Date: September 14, 2025, 11:35 am
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[member=6841]chippyshell[/member]
You reckon the officer who pinged you was c.190m from the 30mph
sign, and he says he wasn't sure if you were within the 30mph
limit when he nabbed you - yeah?
Have you not seen any photos which should tell you how far away
you were when your speed was measured?
#Post#: 89907--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 14, 2025, 11:58 am
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[quote author=ManxTom link=topic=8045.msg89906#msg89906
date=1757867701]
[member=6841]chippyshell[/member]
You reckon the officer who pinged you was c.190m from the 30mph
sign, and he says he wasn't sure if you were within the 30mph
limit when he nabbed you - yeah?
Have you not seen any photos which should tell you how far away
you were when your speed was measured?
[/quote]
Yeh i think it could be case. I have no photos or anything to
show far away i was when the speed was measured. He did show me
when i was stopped but at the time you don't really think about
that.
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