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#Post#: 89793--------------------------------------------------
Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 13, 2025, 10:27 am
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Hi,
I received a SJP today in the post but to give some context the
road goes from 60 to 30, the officer stated in his statement the
sign for 30mph was 185 meters from the enforcement sight, the
officer even said when he stopped me that he has to assume that
i would have been speeding because it wasn't clear if i was in
the 30 or not.
Nothing is mentioned how far away i was when the the speed was
clocked and the officers location was actually further than
185meters from the sign, more like 200meters. The device that
was used guarantees accuracy for legal evidence is usually 185
meters. Beyond that, the readings are not officially certified,
even if the device might still work.
Another thing to note, they provided when the calibration and
alignment was done but it only seems to be <50meters
My question is, is it worth me pleading not guilty in court and
do you think i have valid arguments? I guess another to add, is
the 30mph sign is only on 1 side of the road and just after a
bend. It isn't very clear at all.
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#Post#: 89795--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: roythebus Date: September 13, 2025, 10:38 am
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The days there only needs to be one speed limit sign, so that
argument fails. But if the sign is obscured then that could be
challenged. But it will be expensive if you lose in court.
#Post#: 89797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: Southpaw82 Date: September 13, 2025, 10:58 am
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[quote author=chippyshell link=topic=8045.msg89793#msg89793
date=1757777273]
The device that was used guarantees accuracy for legal evidence
is usually 185 meters. Beyond that, the readings are not
officially certified, even if the device might still work.
[/quote]
What is your source for that little gem?
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Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: NewJudge Date: September 13, 2025, 11:01 am
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[quote]The device that was used guarantees accuracy for legal
evidence is usually 185 meters.[/quote]
What device was it?
Is your argument twofold:
1. That the measurement was taken too far from the device to be
reliable.
2. That you may not have passed the 30mph sign when the
measurement was taken?
How did you obtain the measurements on your photo?
#Post#: 89801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 13, 2025, 11:36 am
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[quote author=NewJudge link=topic=8045.msg89798#msg89798
date=1757779268]
[quote]The device that was used guarantees accuracy for legal
evidence is usually 185 meters.[/quote]
What device was it?
Is your argument twofold:
1. That the measurement was taken too far from the device to be
reliable.
2. That you may not have passed the 30mph sign when the
measurement was taken?
How did you obtain the measurements on your photo?
[/quote]
The device was - LTI 20/20 truspeed
1. Yeh from his standing point to the 30mph sign is over
185meters.
2. Yeh i don't believe i had passed the sign when the
measurement was taken
The measurements were just taken using google maps.
#Post#: 89802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: FuzzyDuck Date: September 13, 2025, 11:42 am
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Although it might have been tested at 185m, it it has a range of
up to 1000m and assumed to be accurate unless otherwise proved.
#Post#: 89810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: ManxTom Date: September 13, 2025, 12:07 pm
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[member=6841]chippyshell[/member] - and where have you got the
only being accurate up to 185m from?
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Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: mickR Date: September 13, 2025, 1:33 pm
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[quote author=ManxTom link=topic=8045.msg89810#msg89810
date=1757783253]
[member=6841]chippyshell[/member] - and where have you got the
only being accurate up to 185m from?
[/quote]
Dave down the pub?
#Post#: 89842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: chippyshell Date: September 13, 2025, 7:47 pm
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[quote author=ManxTom link=topic=8045.msg89810#msg89810
date=1757783253]
[member=6841]chippyshell[/member] - and where have you got the
only being accurate up to 185m from?
[/quote]
Yeh to be honest after checking on the .gov website its
irrelevant about the distance. I was told wrong information.
The sign is also hardly visible - This is from June 2025, my
ticket is from April 2025
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height=401]
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/>
Historically on this road there has been a sign on both sides.
It used to be a 40 but im guessing they remove the sign on the
right when the speed changed?
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Re: Speeding 51 in a 30 - 3 Points already
By: JustLoveCars Date: September 14, 2025, 5:06 am
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[quote author=chippyshell link=topic=8045.msg89842#msg89842
date=1757810828]
Historically on this road there has been a sign on both sides.
It used to be a 40 but im guessing they remove the sign on the
right when the speed changed?
[/quote]I suspect it's a repeater? If it was a terminal sign
then both should be there.
Can you post the exact location? (Station Road is too generic)
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