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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: NewJudge Date: September 15, 2025, 10:57 am
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Try as I may, I cannot find the TRO. TfL have a section for TROs
for each of the London Boroughs and there are so few there that
I cannot believe it is kept up to date. I suggest you email TfL
and ask them where they are published.
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Re: Gallows Corner flyover replacement RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN
query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 16, 2025, 4:09 am
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1. Can TFL single out domestic vehicles with a Temporary traffic
order? For example - can TFL say a road is closed and only
authorised vehicles can use the road? Authorised vehicles being
emergency vehicles, busses and black cabs?
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 18, 2025, 11:10 am
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1. Can TFL single out domestic vehicles with a Temporary traffic
regulation order? For example - can TFL say a road is closed and
only authorised vehicles can use the road? Authorised vehicles
being emergency vehicles, busses and black cabs? Is it legal?
2. Do TFL need to make a temporary traffic regulation order
available to the public and easily available for the public to
view?
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Are these TFL road signs legal? re Gallows Corner roundabout clo
sure
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 25, 2025, 7:43 am
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Dear friends,
TFL have closed a MAJOR roundabout - Gallows corner roundabout
RM3 8AA. They do not allow general traffic. They still allow
busses, black cabs and emergency vehicles and authorised
vehicles. They have not made any temporary traffic regulation
orders available to facilitate the closure.
Are these signs legal? They have no signs when turning right
onto the road then suddenly have signs on a BOX JUNCTION....too
sudden to stop and read....ALSO there are no bus lanes through
the roundabout or leading upto the roundabout and the sign says
BUS LANE CAMERAS...
[img width=1100
height=825]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/NoH1pod.jpeg[/img]
[img width=1100
height=824]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/o5SS1lP.jpeg[/img]
[img width=1100
height=825]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/H7QzJak.jpeg[/img]
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Re: Are these TFL road signs legal? re Gallows Corner roundabout
closure
By: DWMB2 Date: September 25, 2025, 7:50 am
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[quote author=Bradley-29 link=topic=8176.msg91451#msg91451
date=1758804209]
They have no signs when turning right onto the road
[/quote]
Your image shows a 'No right turn' sign, so assuming drivers
obey that sign, they wouldn't be turning right onto the road in
the first place?
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Re: Are these TFL road signs legal? re Gallows Corner roundabout
closure
By: 666 Date: September 25, 2025, 8:54 am
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As above. Also
1. Why have you started a second thread on this?
2. What exactly is a "major" (sorry, MAJOR) roundabout?
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 25, 2025, 10:22 am
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1. I only want to know legality please... Signs can be illegal
or positioned illegally and therefore null and void.
2.'MAJOR' means big/massive/important/ e.g. bigger than a spot
on the road roundabout... used by over 1,000s vehicles daily..
Gallows corner is one of the only roundabouts that joins east
and west... it is a major roundabout and has major
connections...it is an important roundabout.
3. Because it is a different topic...The first was about charges
legality and the second is about signs legality...
why have you grouped them together? just because I am the same
person? or because I am talking about a 'major' roundabout?
would you group everyone's post to mine querying Gallows corner
now? I would like them ungrouped please.
4. Just because a 'no right turn ' sign has been placed
somewhere does not make it legal. I really want to know the
legality. Roads and highway's need laws/orders/regulations to
follow...that's why we have laws/orders/regulations...
AND WHY ARE YOU HAVING A GO AT ME??? and picking on my words
'major'?? I HAVENT DONE ANYTHING WRONG....I just want answers
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: DWMB2 Date: September 25, 2025, 11:25 am
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I merged the 2 threads as they seem to concern the same topic,
namely the temporary changes to the particular roundabout and
approach roads, and any PCNs that unwitting motorists might
receive as a result.
Given any PCNs would arise from the contravention of
restrictions communicated by the signs, they would seem to
concern the same broad topic...
I will leave those with relevant expertise to comment on any
legal points. My layman's point about the 'no right turn' was
that if one were seeking to argue that the signs are not
properly visible when turning right, that argument might be
weakened by the fact that performing such a turn in the first
place appears to be prohibited.
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 25, 2025, 11:33 am
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ok that's fine...I understand and can accept that..
So can anyone assist with the legality of the signs please? Are
the road signs legal?
also
1. Can TFL single out general vehicles with a Temporary traffic
order? For example - can TFL say a road is closed and only
authorised vehicles can use the road? Authorised vehicles being
emergency vehicles, busses, black cabs and authorised vehicles?
2. Do TFL need to make a temporary traffic regulation order
available to the public and easily available for the public to
view?
3. I have searched and cannot find a temporary traffic order for
the Gallows corner major closure. The only temporary traffic
order was back in 2022 for Queen Elizabeth II. Am I missing
something?
4. Is there an active temporary order currently in place for
Gallows corner flyover replacement to allow TFL to temporarily
restrict or prohibit the use of the road by vehicles. Or can
someone show me where to look for this order?
5. Can TFL issue a penalty charge for general vehicles using the
roundabout during the Gallows corner flyover works? Or do they
need another order to be allowed to issue a PCN?
All help much appreciated in advance
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: 666 Date: September 25, 2025, 12:00 pm
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1. Yes
2. "Available" - yes. "Easily available" - how long is a piece
of string?
3. Have you asked TfL?
4. Don't know.
5. AFAIK, yes
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