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Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 12, 2025, 10:23 am
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Hi all...hope you are all well..
can TFL issue tickets for using Gallows Corner roundabout RM3
8AA whilst the works are happening to replace the flyover? I
don't believe they can... but I would like to hear from an
expert in Traffic management orders/acts and TFL's rights to
issue fines?
I believe TFL need a statute in a traffic management order or
act to issue PCNs/tickets...which i doubt they have...
#Post#: 89694--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: NewJudge Date: September 12, 2025, 11:10 am
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Is this a question purely out of interest, or have you been
issued with some sort of penalty? If so, what?
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 12, 2025, 1:09 pm
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Well , yes this is a question purely out of interest.. Do you
know the answer?
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: mickR Date: September 12, 2025, 2:51 pm
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what would a "ticket" be issued for?
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 12, 2025, 4:55 pm
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TFL have put up these signs to say authorised vehicles
only...and no other vehicle can use the roundabout whilst TFL
carry out works...the works were meant to finish last week Sept
8th....but now TFL say there is no end date and there have been
delays....TFL say only busses, black cabs and emergency vehicles
can use the roundabout (which is fully functional) otherwise TFL
will issue fines... Can TFL issue fines? I have attached photos
of the signs...sorry i was in a moving car (not driving) and it
was dark
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/>src="
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<a target='_blank' href='
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/>duplicate online</a>
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/>src="
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: NewJudge Date: September 13, 2025, 4:52 am
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TfL have issued a Temporary Traffic Order which lasts until the
end of next March:
HTML https://publicnoticeportal.uk/notice/traffic-and-roads/6852736bbfdb7284e792369b
It provides exemptions for certain vehicles authorised by TfL.
TfL cannot issue fines but they can issue penalty notices.
Although the process for collection (and the ultimate penalty
available) is different, that difference is moot because the
principle is the same – the alleged perpetrator is being told he
must pay money as punishment for a transgression.
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 13, 2025, 5:37 am
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Thank you sharing this information.
1. On the article, it says "expired" what does that mean? Does
it mean the traffic order request has been rejected/not applied?
2. The article says "that it intends to make" does this mean
nothing has been officially agreed/allowed/approved/active?
3. it says "Local access will be maintained on Eastern Avenue
East between its junctions with Pettits Lane North and Masefield
Crescent;" HOWEVER they have NOT. they have not allowed access
to Masefield Crescent. It is completely closed. Can one request
they move the bollards to allow access as and when one needs
access to Masefield Crescent?
4. Is this temporary traffic order currently active?
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: NewJudge Date: September 13, 2025, 7:35 am
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1. Is probably something to do with the publication dates of the
"Romford Recorder".
2. The link I provided is to the "Romford Recorder's" public
notice section. I believe TfL must advertise their proposals in
the local press before making any orders, so that was the
required notice of their intention. You would have to search
TfL's traffic orders to see if it was actually made. I cannot
imagine TfL would implement such a major closure without the
required order.
3. Don't know.
4. The proposal says the order will last until 31st March 2026
(or when the works have been completed, if sooner).
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 13, 2025, 8:26 am
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Thank you for your reply NewJudge, you have been very helpful
1. I have searched and cannot find a temporary traffic order for
the Gallows corner major closure. The only temporary traffic
order was back in 2022 for Queen Elizabeth II. Am I missing
something? NewJudge, are you able to find the required order?
2. I feel TFL might be corrupt... On TFL website it states under
Gallows corner flyover works-
"Closed with local access
The A127 and A12 are closed with local access only between the
following roads:
A12 Eastern Avenue East between Masefield Crescent and Pettits
Lane/Pettits Lane North."
YET TFL have closed access completely. I feel they do not want
to pay someone to monitor the access 24/7...which is unfair on
residents of Masefield Crescent.
3. Is there an active temporary order currently in place to
allow TFL to temporarily restrict or prohibit the use of a road
by vehicles. Or can someone show me where to look?
3.b And can TFL issue a penalty charge? Or do they need another
order to be allowed to issue a PCN?
All help much appreciated in advance
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Re: Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
By: Bradley-29 Date: September 15, 2025, 7:32 am
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Could anyone help please?
1. I have searched and cannot find a temporary traffic order for
the Gallows corner major closure. The only temporary traffic
order was back in 2022 for Queen Elizabeth II. Am I missing
something? NewJudge, are you able to find the required order?
2. Is there an active temporary order currently in place for
Gallows corner flyover replacement to allow TFL to temporarily
restrict or prohibit the use of the road by vehicles. Or can
someone show me where to look for this order?
3. Can TFL issue a penalty charge for the Gallows corner flyover
works? Or do they need another order to be allowed to issue a
PCN?
All help much appreciated in advance
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