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#Post#: 89644--------------------------------------------------
PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills show
23 secs
By: Patmoore Date: September 12, 2025, 7:54 am
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The driver stalled at the roundabout closest to the end of the
new Bristol airport access road. There was a a meet and greet
booked and they were looking up and driving slowly round the
roundabout to find the correct car park. There was a short stay,
hotel car park and Drop and Go and multi story all at the same
roundabout! The car stalled because the wrong gear was selected
and the cctv stills show a "stop" or "park" (I was stalled) of
23 seconds. I’ve attached the original PCN and the letter before
claim. The stop was involuntary due to a stall, lasted ~23
seconds, and caused no obstruction. I’ve submitted appeals with
timestamped images, booking confirmation (Meet and Greet), and
legal precedent (Jopson v Homeguard), but IAS rejected it. I
have now received a letter before claim (attached). Looking for
advice on whether to pay, negotiate, or defend in court. They
have replied to my reply for the letter before claim and have
returned the information I requested. They have paused until 9th
October for me to take advice? Please could I have some help on
this! I am feeling rather low?
HTML https://imgur.com/a/kQTo8Da
#Post#: 89657--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: jfollows Date: September 12, 2025, 8:29 am
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Did you identify the driver?
If not, Bristol Airport is not ‘relevant land’ and PoFA 2012 can
not be used to transfer liability from the driver to the
registered keeper.
Search the forum for
VCS Bristol
and find, for example,
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/vcs-cn-stopping-in-a-prohibited-zone-bristol-airport/msg67207/#msg67207
#Post#: 89658--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: DWMB2 Date: September 12, 2025, 8:33 am
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[quote author=jfollows link=topic=8032.msg89657#msg89657
date=1757683790]
Did you identify the driver?
[/quote]
Based on the information he has provided, yes.
#Post#: 89659--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: jfollows Date: September 12, 2025, 8:37 am
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Agreed, the appeal identified the driver. I didn’t look that far
originally.
#Post#: 89671--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: Patmoore Date: September 12, 2025, 9:18 am
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Unfortunately, I did, although I have to say that it was really
was an involuntary stall for 23 seconds as evidenced by their
cctv footage.
#Post#: 89680--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: b789 Date: September 12, 2025, 9:55 am
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Silly move, identifying the driver but all is not lost. There is
no contract with the driver because the signs are prohibitory.
There is nothing on offer.
[img width=600
height=1256]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/8cLRXXf.jpeg[/img]
Even though the keeper admitted to being the driver (duh!), the
claim, when it comes, will still have no foundation because
there is no contract here to breach. The airport signs say “No
stopping” and then threaten £100 if you stop. That is a
prohibition, not an offer.
Contract law needs an offer that a person can accept and receive
some benefit in return. Here nothing is offered at all; the
message is “don’t do it”. Doing the forbidden thing cannot turn
a prohibition into a paid-for contract. At most it would be a
technical trespass, which only the landowner could pursue for
actual loss, usually nothing.
There is also no real chance to agree to anything. These signs
sit on a live airport approach and a roundabout. A driver must
watch the road, not pull over to read complex wording. Without a
fair opportunity to read and choose, there is no agreement by
conduct.
A stall is not a choice; it is an unavoidable safety stop.
Contract liability depends on a voluntary act. Road safety rules
require the driver to remain where the car dies until it is safe
to move. An involuntary stop cannot sensibly be treated as the
driver choosing to buy a £100 “service”.
This is nothing like the Supreme Court’s Beavis case. In Beavis
the motorist got something in return (free parking time) and the
charge protected turnover. Here there is no permission to stop
at all and no facility provided. The £100 is a deterrent, not a
price for a service.
The NtK also undermines their position. They call this a “period
of parking” but accuse “stopping where stopping is prohibited”.
Stopping briefly on a roundabout is not parking. On top of that,
the notice waves around keeper liability where the site is
airport land under byelaws. While keeper liability no longer
matters once the driver is known, the misuse of PoFA shows the
template nature of the claim and weakens credibility.
In any claim, they would have to prove a valid contract, prove
clear, prominent signage that offered terms, prove the driver
had a fair chance to agree before the event, and explain why an
involuntary safety stop amounts to a deliberate acceptance of a
charge. They would also have to show they have authority from
the landowner to sue for a contractual sum rather than for
trespass.
Experience is that these “no stopping at airports” claims
usually unravel on those points. Even if a judge disagreed on
liability, the common £70 add-on is not recoverable in small
claims, which further cuts down any exposure.
Plainly put: this is a vexatious private firm of ex-clampers
trying to levy a penalty where contract law does not fit. A
judge is likely to see it as a speculative invoice based on a
prohibition, not a bargain. Hence, there is still a solid leg to
stand on despite the driver admission.
Come back when you receive a response to your response to the
LoC.
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Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: DWMB2 Date: September 12, 2025, 9:59 am
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This feels like one they'd be stupid to litigate. But it is
VCS...
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Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: b789 Date: September 20, 2025, 7:37 am
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[member=6702]Patmoore[/member], as per your PM, why on earth
would you prepare a "court bundle" in response to a Letter of
Claim (LoC)? Please show us the LoC and ONLY redact your
personal details and any reference numbers. Please leave
everything else visible, including the names of any signatory.
We do not need to see any forms or generic payment info. Just
the main elements of the LoC and any schedule of what they say
you owe and why.
If the LoC is defective per the PAPDC, then we can give you the
necessary response.
Remember, this is not winnable by them and is simply being
progressed to this point because they believe you are
low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and are likely to pay up
out of ignorance and fear.
So, no ned to show us any "bundle" you may have prepared at this
stage. If/when they actually issue a claim, we will deal with it
based on the content of the Particulars of Claim (PoC).
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Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: Patmoore Date: September 20, 2025, 8:19 am
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Thank you for your help! I have uploaded the LoC and my response
to it?????
HTML https://imgur.com/UfTio69
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Re: PCN for stall at roundabout at Bristol Airport, CCTV stills
show 23 secs
By: Patmoore Date: September 20, 2025, 8:23 am
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I am unsure as to whether the laast post contained my reply so I
have added it in here!
HTML https://imgur.com/a/Qy5sC3a
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