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#Post#: 8513--------------------------------------------------
26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: Colin_S
Date: October 27, 2023, 4:48 am
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Just received this one with the precise wording being "Parked in
a special enforcement area more than 50 cm from the edge of the
carriageway and not within a designated parking place".
Our van was cctv ticketed for the above but was a) adjacent to a
red route parking bay and b) stopped briefly waiting for a van
to vacate a parking bay which it subsequently reversed in to.
The pcn shows our van stopped in the first image at 09:31:16 and
the final image at 09:31:59 shows the UPS van vacating the
parking spot our van moved in to. The whole sequence of photos
cover just 41 seconds.
What's the best basis for an appeal?
Would this be worth an appeal under the CCTV ticket for other
than a single or double red line?
What is a reasonable time to "double park" to wait for a space
to clear? A middle image at 09:31:22 shows the UPS driver
returning to his van, hence our van waiting to jump in his space
knowing it was imminently about to become vacant.
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#Post#: 8514--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 27, 2023, 5:06 am
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We could do with a location (streetview link) and you need the
video.
Will need to phone TFL and request, ask them to hold the PCN
while it is supplied.
Normally a stop on a Red Route would attract a PCN for Stopping
on a Red Route...even for 41 seconds.
But operational hours and operator choice can affect so the
contravention cited is all we need to focus on.
For that, there is a line between parking, waiting and stopping
and being as the Act (TMA 2004 S85) uses the words Parked for
this prohibition a stop and even a wait can be argued...even if
far longer then the 41 seconds which I suspect will be the case.
So the question is can it be said that your van was parked?
For that we need the video.
Make that your first priority.
Re CCTV enforcement on other then Red Lines.... was in High
Court yesterday and Judge is thinking on it before ruling...
don't go off half cock on that until we have a better idea what
outcome is.
#Post#: 8641--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 29, 2023, 8:30 am
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The key issue is that you must get the video from TFL. The
allegation is "parked" not "stopped", so there is definitely an
argument to be made around that.
Call TFL first thing on Monday and ask for the video, they will
send you a DVD in the post and put the penalty on hold while you
wait.
#Post#: 8717--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: Colin_S
Date: October 30, 2023, 4:11 am
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Thank you both for the responses. I don't suppose you know the
correct contact number for TFL? I've looked on the TFL website
but the number there doesn't include options for PCNs and there
are none on the PCN which rather advises to write in to obtain
the footage.
Alternatively I can use the challenge facility on their website
and both request the footage and a hold on the PCN at the same
time.
Location was here -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QZjK9YMVj8KPyC5s5
#Post#: 8838--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 31, 2023, 2:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Colin_S link ---
>
> Thank you both for the responses. I don't suppose you know the
correct contact number for TFL? I've looked on the TFL website
but the number there doesn't include options for PCNs and there
are none on the PCN which rather advises to write in to obtain
the footage.
>
--- End Quote ---
0343 222 3333 or 0343 222 222
#Post#: 8884--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: Colin_S
Date: November 1, 2023, 6:05 am
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0343 222 3333 worked, thank you.
I did jump the gun a little and requested the footage via the
challenge portal. The telephone call this morning confirmed my
request had been received, was being actioned and that the PCN
had been put on hold.
#Post#: 8888--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: November 1, 2023, 6:24 am
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Once you get the footage, post it up pls.
Doubt TFL will accept only waiting, not parked but without the
video we cannot make a judgement on what an adjudicator may
think
#Post#: 8889--------------------------------------------------
Re: 26 TFL - Parked in a special enforcement area more than 50cm
from kerb.
DIR By: Colin_S
Date: November 1, 2023, 6:31 am
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Will do.
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