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       #Post#: 89693--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Car reg got cloned, Met won't issue crime reference number,
       Lambeth Council won't cancel PCN without one
   DIR By: motorn1by2
       Date: September 12, 2025, 11:07 am
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       **UPDATE**: Not sure why I cannot edit OP, so putting it in a
       reply - I now have a crime reference number from Action Fraud.
       Shockingly the police officer neglected to mention I could get a
       crime reference number this way. Hopefully this is sufficient to
       get the councils off my back.
       #Post#: 89696--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Car reg got cloned, Met won't issue crime reference number,
       Lambeth Council won't cancel PCN without one
   DIR By: Enceladus
       Date: September 12, 2025, 11:29 am
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       --- Quote from: motorn1by2 link ---
       >
       > **UPDATE**: Not sure why I cannot edit OP, so putting it in a
       reply - I now have a crime reference number from Action Fraud.
       Shockingly the police officer neglected to mention I could get a
       crime reference number this way. Hopefully this is sufficient to
       get the councils off my back.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Did you dial 101? That's the trouble nowadays, your call is
       first handled by a civilian call centre. They triage the calls
       and transfer those they deem deserving to the actual police. The
       concept of creating a crime report and then investigating it (or
       not) went out the window years ago.
       The option to edit any of your posts times out after a pre-set
       period. Not sure how long, might be 12 hours or maybe 24? One of
       the moderators will know?
       #Post#: 89697--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Car reg got cloned, Met won't issue crime reference number,
       Lambeth Council won't cancel PCN without one
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: September 12, 2025, 11:36 am
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       The public procedure uses 'owner' liability, not driver. And the
       owner is presumed to be the RK who in the case of moving traffic
       contraventions - which this is - will always receive the first
       PCN because it's sent by post. Of course you may have received
       PCNs issued to vehicles for parking contraventions and as the
       driver you may make informal reps. But if these fail then the RK
       is liable.
       They only have limited grounds on which to relieve themselves of
       liability, and as far as you have said none applies in your case
       If you are neither the registered keeper nor the hirer then
       procedurally you cannot have a PCN in your own name. You may
       assist the RK(the company) make representations, but these will
       always be against their liability, not yours.
       Therefore, if you do have a PCN in your name this must be
       procedurally improper and IMO you may make representations on
       these grounds, nowt to do with the underlying contravention.
       You are mixing procedures.
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