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Bromley - Code 02 - Parked or Unloading in a restricted
street.... - Hayes lane
DIR By: billyt
Date: September 11, 2025, 6:00 am
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Hi Everybody, Hope you're all keeping well despite all the
madness in the world at the moment. I'd really appreciate any
help on this PCN as I think Bromley have used this as a cash cow
by deliberately not putting cones and triangular signs which can
actually be seen. So the story is this.
I went to a boot fair in Hayes lane in Bromley, And parked
approximately here in the middle of a line of parked cars in a
place where there is normally no parking restrictions of any
sort. We then proceeded to walk through a footpath through the
fence which is approximately 8 metres away (near where the
person is walking and where the warden is leaning over in 2 of
my photos). Google street view location below , please note that
the street view does show one of the parking signs but this was
obscured by a bus and was on the other side of the road and
also, does not look like a parking sign. There is normally no
parking restrictions on this road as it is only for boot fair
days
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when I came out from the boot fair around 25 minutes later there
was a warden putting tickets on the cars, mine already had one
and he was ticketing the car behind. I have this on video
ticketing the cars and only when I asked why I got a ticket did
he make me aware of the signs. There was no " no waiting" cones
of any sort put down in this location. I appealed this ticket
and the appeal was rejected, I appealed on the grounds that it
was not clear that a parking restriction had been put in place,
As evidenced by the fact that so many people had parked there,
there was no cones to suggest anything out of the ordinary was
going on and that the usual triangular corrugated yellow plastic
signs that they use for parking suspensions which are visible
from all angles were not used. this was rejected. A Few weeks
later Bromley council put a parking suspension in place in
Crystal Palace and they used cones and Triangular signs and I
Emailed them to ask why , if they had them why didn't they use
them in Hayes lane and if they didn't have them why did they
start using them, did they think Hayes lane wasn't clear enough.
They didn't respond. Ive included photos of the signs and cone
they used in Crystal Palace so you all know which ones I mean. I
admit that there were signs up but they weren't visible from
where I got out of the car and went into the boot fair. Admitted
I wasn't paying too much attention as this was less than 2 weeks
after my Dad had died but even if I was I still wouldn't have
seen them, If they were the triangular type I would have and if
there were no parking cones I would have gone looking for signs
to see why they were there. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Billy
Edit- just noticed on another posters ticket that it has
temporary traffic order in brackets on their ticket, mine
hasn’t, should it ?
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#Post#: 89480--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley - Code 02 - Parked or Unloading in a restricted
street.... - Hayes lane
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 11, 2025, 6:25 am
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Despite their rejection of your challenge, I believe you may
have an argument hor inadequate signage. Most of the few
'suspension signs' (as they call them in their rejection) appear
to be on the opposite side of the road and lack the customary
'wings' of suspenion signs.
That said, I found this on the side you parked:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/njFjGw3456KkjWa56
How far were you from it? Did you pass it on your way to the
sale?
Were there any others on this side?
UPDATE:
Found one on a tree here (entrance to sale?)
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And another:
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#Post#: 89502--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bromley - Code 02 - Parked or Unloading in a restricted
street.... - Hayes lane
DIR By: billyt
Date: September 11, 2025, 7:35 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> Despite their rejection of your challenge, I believe you may
have an argument hor inadequate signage. Most of the few
'suspension signs' (as they call them in their rejection) appear
to be on the opposite side of the road and lack the customary
'wings' of suspenion signs.
>
> That said, I found this on the side you parked:
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/njFjGw3456KkjWa56
>
> How far were you from it? Did you pass it on your way to the
sale?
> Were there any others on this side?
>
> UPDATE:
> Found one on a tree here (entrance to sale?)
>
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>
> And another:
>
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>
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Hi John, the signs were there but from where I got out of the
car and into the field I was a) bang in the middle of them and
b) unaware of them or anything out of the ordinary as they were
not visible and there was no cones etc. you mention one is next
to the entrance which raises another point. If the council had
made me aware of the parking restrictions properly why didn’t I
park in the free parking which is actually closer. The reason
being that they had not made it clear. Another point maybe worth
mention is that the writing is so small that you would have to
stand right in front of the sign to read it, and , as can be
seen they are close to the road edge and if no one parked there
you would be standing in a live lane of traffic. I did not pass
any signs when walking from the car to the car boot, I did drive
past some now that I know but when you’re driving you can’t make
them out, they could be planning applications or anything,
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Re: Bromley - Code 02 - Parked or Unloading in a restricted
street.... - Hayes lane
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 11, 2025, 1:48 pm
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Whether it be a Temporary Traffic Order, or a Traffic Order, the
council obligation to put up signs advising motorists of the
restriction remains the same, and is found in Part III 7.(a) of
the Schedule to the The Road Traffic (Temporary Restrictions)
Procedure Regulations 1992
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In the case here, it seems quite clear that the council failed
in their duty adequately to sign the restriction
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Re: Bromley - Code 02 - Parked or Unloading in a restricted
street.... - Hayes lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 11, 2025, 4:16 pm
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[member=6818]billyt[/member] thank you for your message, however
please read the June 2025 update at the bottom of the page here
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/>and here
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