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#Post#: 99233--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 21, 2025, 2:24 pm
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Yes sorry, here's the NTO.
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#Post#: 99510--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 24, 2025, 6:15 am
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I guess I'll just do that then
#Post#: 99555--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 24, 2025, 9:19 am
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Date of NTO and date of posting - 28 October.
Deemed served 30th which is Day 1 of of 28, the last day being
26th.
I would submit that the contravention did not occur.
The PCN gives a contravention of ********* which I dispute
happened. In support, I refer to the authority's letter dated
*** rejecting my informal representations, in particular the
following:
Quote verbatim from 'When a parking place is suspended ..to
...before the suspension occurs.'
This clearly shows that the authority consider that the parking
place was simply suspended, indeed this word and its derivatives
occurs no less than 8 times in just these two short paragraphs.
And yet despite this, the PCN refers to the breach of a
'waiting' restriction.
The issue here is therefore whether the imposition of a waiting
restriction within these parking places was made lawfully,
properly implemented as regards notice and conveyed adequately
to motorists by traffic signs. For the reasons set out in my
informal representations which should be read alongside these
and for the reasons set out above I contend that the alleged
contravention did not occur.
Some thoughts.
#Post#: 104326--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: January 2, 2026, 10:18 am
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Happy new year all.
I have been slow catching up with my letters and one of which
was this NoR received on the 15th Dec. Their correspondence is a
mess, not least with typos everywhere and poor image formatting
covering critical information. And they have repeated their
points from the representations stage.
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#Post#: 104327--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: January 2, 2026, 10:33 am
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They have once again ignored the material point about whether
this was a waiting restriction contravention or a suspended
parking bay. I am sorry I forgot to save the appeal I submitted
at the NtO stage, but it is 90% the same as the representation,
so they have ignored that point twice now.
#Post#: 104639--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: January 5, 2026, 10:04 am
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Is there a way for me to view the appeal I submitted at the NtO
stage?
#Post#: 105073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: January 8, 2026, 6:17 am
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I notice that on this forum there is a similar case on Tarling
Road. I am trying to see if there is anything to take from that
one to this one. Failing that, and without any further replies
to this thread, I will likely lodge an appeal before the time
runs out on Monday 12/01, using a similar approach to the
rejected in/formal representations
#Post#: 105587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: January 12, 2026, 2:54 pm
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I will be submitting this shortly as evidence for my appeal.
"The PCN gives a contravention of "01a Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order)" which
I dispute happened. In support, I refer to the authority's
letters dated 1st October 2025 rejecting my informal
representations, in particular the following:
Quoting verbatim from that letter 'When a parking place is
suspended, the suspension remains in force whilst the suspension
sign is in place. You must not use a suspended parking space to
park, wait, load or unload while the suspension is in force,
even if it appears there is no work being carried out. Every
effort is made to bring suspensions to the attention of
residents/businesses in the area by: Displaying a sign showing
the proposed suspension dates in advance before the suspension
occurs"
This clearly shows that the authority consider that the parking
place was simply suspended, indeed this word and its derivatives
occurs no less than 8 times in just these two short paragraphs.
And yet despite this, the PCN refers to the breach of a
'waiting' restriction.
The issue here is therefore whether the imposition of a waiting
restriction within these parking places was made lawfully,
properly implemented as regards notice and conveyed adequately
to motorists by traffic signs. For the reasons set out in both
my informal and formal representations which should be read
alongside these and for the reasons set out above I contend that
the alleged contravention did not occur.
From the picture taken by the CEO, the sign states 8am-6pm; the
order states that the amended restriction applies only if the
appropriate prescribed traffic signs are placed, the order
implies that the restriction is "at any time" (there is no
reference to 8am-6pm), therefore "appropriate traffic signs"
have not been placed, therefore the order has not been
implemented correctly and no penalties may be demanded because
the specific contravention has not occurred.
The authority has twice failed to consider this substantive
point that I have raised at both stages of the informal
representations and the formal representations when the NtO was
served.
I thank you for your consideration."
#Post#: 106164--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: taffer87
Date: January 16, 2026, 7:05 am
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sorry i sent in wrong thread
#Post#: 120097--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see
the temporary traffic order?
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: May 30, 2026, 5:15 am
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Received this email declaring that LBN will be contesting this
at the tribunal:
It seems their core point is this:
--- Quote ---
> The appellant’s core argument amounts to a semantic
> distinction between suspension terminology and waiting
restrictions. This does not
> affect the legality of the restriction, nor the correctness of
the contravention issued.
--- End Quote ---
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[justify]London Tribunals have recently informed London Borough
of Newham (LBN) of your application
to appeal the decision to reject your representations relating
to the above mentioned Penalty
Charge Notice(s). Following a review of your original
representation(s), the Notice of Rejection
letter(s) and all of the subsequent documentation that you have
provided, London Borough of
Newham wish to contest this appeal.[/justify] ...
[justify]
We the London Borough of Newham submit that Penalty Charge
Notice (PCN)
PN23465850 was correctly issued and served. We can also confirm
that the PCN
complies with The Traffic Management Act 2004.[/justify]
...
[justify]The location hosted suspension stating “Tuesday 2nd
September 2025 - Tuesday 2nd
September 2025 8am – 4pm Credon Road E13 (All spaces outside 67
Credon Road
to outside 77 Credon Road) for Tree works.[/justify]
Authority’s position:
The contravention occurred and the PCN was correctly issued.
Temporary Traffic Order and Restriction
A Temporary Traffic Order (TTO) was in force at the location on
the date of the
contravention. The purpose and effect of the order was to
prohibit waiting within
the affected length of highway during the relevant period.
While the appellant refers to the use of the term “suspension”
within
correspondence, the legal effect of the TTO was to remove the
parking place and
impose a waiting restriction. Once a parking place is suspended
or removed under
a temporary order, the area ceases to operate as a parking place
for the duration of
the order and becomes subject to a waiting prohibition.
Enforcement is therefore
correctly undertaken under contravention code 01.
The descriptive term “suspension” is commonly used to explain
the effect of a
temporary restriction to motorists, but this does not alter the
legal nature of the
restriction created by the order nor invalidate the
contravention alleged.
Signage and Prescribed Hours
The TTO provides that the restriction applies when appropriate
prescribed traffic
signs are placed. On the date of enforcement, temporary traffic
signage was in
situ, as evidenced by the CEO photographs.
The signage clearly conveyed:
• that the previous parking provision was not available, and
• the hours during which waiting was prohibited (8am–6pm).
The authority contends that the signage was clear, visible, and
adequate to inform
a reasonably diligent motorist of the restriction in force.
Temporary traffic orders
commonly operate for defined periods rather than “at any time”,
and the inclusion of
operational hours on the sign does not invalidate the
restriction or render the signage
inappropriate.
The appellant has not demonstrated that the signage failed to
comply with the Traffic
Signs Regulations or that it was misleading. The mere absence of
identical wording
between the order and the sign does not negate enforceability
where the restriction
is clearly conveyed.
Consideration of Representations
The authority considered the appellant’s informal and formal
representations and
responded accordingly. The appellant’s core argument amounts to
a semantic
distinction between suspension terminology and waiting
restrictions. This does not
affect the legality of the restriction, nor the correctness of
the contravention issued.
The authority was satisfied, at both stages, that:
• a valid TTO was in force,
• appropriate signage was displayed, and
• the vehicle was parked in contravention of the temporary
waiting restriction.
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